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fasteo wrote 14 hours 21 min ago:
A much lesser known museum worth a visit in Madrid is the Sorolla
museum[1]. I believe the museum was actually his house in Madrid.
Sorolla is the master of light. His paintings are stunning[2]
There are several virtual tours available online [3] [1] [2]
URI [1]: https://www.cultura.gob.es/msorolla/inicio.html
URI [2]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Cosiendo_l...
URI [3]: https://www.cultura.gob.es/msorolla/exposicion/visita-virtual....
aba_cz wrote 15 hours 8 min ago:
I know that not everybody has time, money, opportunity, etc. to go to
Del Prado to see art with their own eyes but I have to say that seeing
photos on my monitor before and seeing it in reality were completely
different and not not transferable experiences. The light, those
details and often even size of the canvas which is measured in meters
and not centimeters are all incredible. For example Las Meninas is
basically 3x3 meters or you can easily spend 1 hour looking at The
Garden of Earthly Delights by Bosch. I will remember this visit till
the end of my life.
elondaits wrote 6 hours 12 min ago:
Itâs not said enough:
Screens = tiny mass produced lights
Paintings = A masterful mix of usually expensive substances carefully
selected for the unique way in which they reflect light.
gijsnijholt1980 wrote 17 hours 2 min ago:
If you go there, and thereâs a long queue, do not blindly join it but
look for alternate entrances.
tmilard wrote 23 hours 31 min ago:
I may be biaised but I believe this "tour" is not good. Not immersive
enough. Just not really something we want as client.
- The moving/walking part is just bad. Even Matterport does much better
with its technology.
- The zooming-on-painting part is good though.
The point : I am building a much more immersive technology . Here is an
small example. [1] If you like this visit, and if you know a museum who
needs my immersive technology, please send me a mail, I would be glad
: thierry.milard@gmail.com
URI [1]: https://free-visit.net/fr/demo01
falloon wrote 22 hours 3 min ago:
Check out Yulei He's work. [1] [2] Feels a lot better when there is a
simple Ui to cycle through the views, keyboard and mouse navigation
locked on the y axis, and gaussians just look better. Pretty heavy
though if the space is large.
URI [1]: https://current-exhibition.com/laboratorio31/
URI [2]: https://medium.com/@heyulei/capture-images-for-gaussian-spla...
tmilard wrote 14 hours 38 min ago:
Thanks faloon for the link. It's the best 'fuid'virtual visit I
have seen in recent months. Gaussian Splatting algorythm seems to
be the 'game changer' thing in VR we were waiting for.... This is
fantastic times in this area. what a time to be alive !
chatmasta wrote 23 hours 57 min ago:
I was in this museum a few weeks ago. I spent three hours there before
I realized I hadnât even covered half of it. Itâs huge. Highly
recommend a trip.
xnx wrote 1 day ago:
Google Arts & Culture has hundreds of excellent 360 museum (and other
cultural site) tours here: [1] Separately, you can also zoom in to many
artworks with extreme detail (e.g. 1000+ dpi).
URI [1]: https://artsandculture.google.com/
fuzzbazz wrote 1 day ago:
Cool, but it could be better if some of the paintings didn't have so
much light reflected from the roof, like in room 12. Maybe the camera
should have been higher?
cbdumas wrote 1 day ago:
For anyone planning a visit to Spain, I can't recommend Madrid highly
enough. I wasn't sure what to expect from the city, but it might be my
favorite I've ever been to. Madrid is beautiful, clean, walkable, and
very welcoming. The food was all amazing and it seemed like we never
had to wait for a table. I had a great time in Barcelona, but I'd
recommend Madrid over Barcelona in a heartbeat.
traceroute66 wrote 14 hours 56 min ago:
> I had a great time in Barcelona, but I'd recommend Madrid over
Barcelona in a heartbeat.
The trouble with Barcelona these days is the tourists have ruined it.
Both the tourists themselves, and the city itself pandering to the
tourists.
I avoid the place like the plague these days.
outime wrote 12 hours 15 min ago:
Also worth mentioning the growing concern about security, which
worsens each year:
URI [1]: https://www.barcelona.cat/infobarcelona/en/tema/security-a...
pvaldes wrote 15 hours 34 min ago:
There is stuff to see and do in Madrid for months, but Madrid is the
center in a cobweb of roads. This means that maybe 40% of the country
or so is reachable from here in a reasonable time.
Distances in Spain are different than in US. Some cities are
connected from here in an interval of less than two hours (one-way)
by fast train AVE so reserving one day to explore another city as a
bonus is doable with some extra work. This comprises Valencia,
Salamanca, Burgos or Cordoba. You could basically go from one point
to the other coin of Iberia in a day by train if you don't mind to
burn a day looking at the landscape. Or sleep in the train and wake
up in a different coastal city in a different Sea. Is just a question
of money and planning.
In the same way if you go to Barcelona I would strongly advise to
explore near destinations in Pyrenees or the South of France also.
jillesvangurp wrote 16 hours 15 min ago:
Madrid is indeed very nice. Perfect destination in early spring or
late autumn as winters are very short there. Avoid in the summer as
it gets stupidly hot there. One reason I like it is that it's far
away from the beaches and package tourists. It's a huge modern city.
And there's plenty to see. I love the public parks there. There's a
huge new park on top of the inner ring road which they partially
covered up. Perfect place to hang out on a warm day. Also did wonders
for the nearby neighborhood which are now quiet and a lot less smelly
than they used to be.
There are a couple of other museums well worth visiting near El
Prado. El Prado can get very busy because it's on everybody's list of
things to visit. I've been there on a quiet day at some point and
it's very enjoyable. But when you have to queue up for 45 minutes
just to get in, it's probably a lot less nice. Thyssen-Bornemisza
Museum has a pretty amazing collection and is right across the
street. And down the street is the Reina Sofia, which has a nice
modern art collection (think lots of Miro, Picasso, Dali, etc.).
If you have time and a car, driving around Spain is very enjoyable.
I've seen most of it's larger and smaller cities over the years.
agile-gift0262 wrote 14 hours 37 min ago:
> If you have time and a car, driving around Spain is very
enjoyable. I've seen most of it's larger and smaller cities over
the years
+1. But the train, specially being in Madrid, is a very good
alternative to the car to travel around Spain.
jillesvangurp wrote 6 hours 59 min ago:
Sure, between the bigger cities, the train is amazing. I did
Valencia to Madrid by high speed rail in 2022 for example. Works
great. The average speed is close to the maximum speed of the
train; it only slows down to stop.
But for the more rural regions and smaller cities, you pretty
much need a car.
lentil_soup wrote 15 hours 33 min ago:
the roads are really great, they're kept in great shape. The train,
although Madrid centric is amazing as well, stupidly fast and not
that expensive anymore.
bdjsiqoocwk wrote 17 hours 39 min ago:
Seconded. I lived in Madrid for 5 years. Best years of my life.
Eventually I moved to London for work and my quality of life took a
hit.
noduerme wrote 17 hours 47 min ago:
Madrid: They don't have a river, a beach or ancient ruins. What they
have is a living city and people who love it.
narag wrote 7 hours 14 min ago:
Madrid: They don't have a river, a beach or ancient ruins.
We do have a river, but if it doesn't seem much to you, take the
train south and in half an hour you reach Aranjuez: [1] There you
have the Tagus river and gorgeous gardens.
URI [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aranjuez
eb0la wrote 9 hours 13 min ago:
Ancient ruins? we have an Egiptian Temple near the Royal Palace
URI [1]: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xUrFWZwBkuDCTE5W7
Xenoamorphous wrote 16 hours 23 min ago:
What about Manzanares river.
noduerme wrote 15 hours 19 min ago:
Sure. It's kind of a creek like the Los Angeles river. The point
is that the city of Madrid is not built around rivers (like NYC
or London or Prague).
kuu wrote 12 hours 50 min ago:
I get your point, but that's not exactly the case. Madrid is
built there not by coincidence, there are a lot of underground
rivers that cross the region, but then the city was built on
top of them.
See here: [1] Original: [2] And about ruins, they are, but they
are also hidden: [3] :)
URI [1]: https://www-canaldeisabelsegunda-es.translate.goog/-/m...
URI [2]: https://www.canaldeisabelsegunda.es/-/madrid-la-ciudad...
URI [3]: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muralla_cristiana_de_Mad...
mjrbrennan wrote 19 hours 25 min ago:
I loved them both for different reasons, I went last year for the
first time. As another commenter said Madrid felt very imperial, and
as you say was beautiful, clean, and walkable. Barcelona felt more
arty and had a great coastal vibe to it. I would go back to either in
a heartbeat!
singleshot_ wrote 23 hours 39 min ago:
Hot in the summer. Killer nightlife. It will not take a tourist long
to figure out the point of siesta.
Xenoamorphous wrote 16 hours 21 min ago:
We moved to Madrid a few years ago. Summers are incredibly long and
unbearable, to be honest, and it's not getting better. We have a 2
year old daughter and it sucks not being able to take her to the
park for weeks because it's scorching hot.
Other than that, we like the city, and especially our
neighbourhood.
wageslave99 wrote 17 hours 1 min ago:
> The point of siesta
Nobody takes siestas in Spain but the elderly, children and people
without A/C in hot zones in summer, and I suppose in some rural
towns as well.
dathos wrote 14 hours 36 min ago:
Thatâs 80% of the country youâre describing there. I donât
know anyone who doesnât do a siesta in summer, and elderly
people continue throughout the year
pezezin wrote 17 hours 3 min ago:
I have met many foreigners from Northern countries who made fun of
siesta... until they stayed in Spain for a summer, then they
understood it very quickly xD
rmason wrote 1 day ago:
I recommend Madrid as well. I still haven't made it to Barcelona but
I did visit the Spanish Riviera also known as the Costa del Sol. I
stayed in Torremolinos where a lot of English winter and there were a
lot of American sailors in the bars as well. Its a short distance to
Malaga which was interesting.
Also went West and caught a boat to Tangiers in Morocco for a day
trip. It was my first time experiencing culture shock. Tangiers was
so different from either America or Europe. I made friends with two
Danish soldiers and the three of us explored the Casbah together. It
was also the first (and last!) time that I ate a sheep's eyeball!
Little kids everywhere were begging for money. I understood
perfectly why they spoke to me in English. But when they found out
my friends were from Denmark they switched to speaking perfect
Danish! These kids knew a smattering of a dozen languages or more.
mholm wrote 1 day ago:
I'd recommend Valencia in addition to Madrid. I can't say I enjoyed
Barcelona that much, it felt too touristy. Valencia had a wonderful
balance of tourism, low prices, food, and waterfront.
nailer wrote 1 day ago:
Honestly, theyâre all great. Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Seville
and Bilbao.
I had almost no idea about Spain before I moved to Europe and soon
realised that it is a friendly place with amazing reasonably priced
food and some of the most amazing artwork. Every new city has these
qualities and adds its own stories and beautiful architecture.
Also Spain is to gin and tonic what New York is to pizza and
Australia/New Zealand are to coffee: they did not invent it, but
they certainly perfected it. a giant fish bowl of gin mare and good
tonic water filled with ice and maybe some rosemary for scent.
pezezin wrote 17 hours 5 min ago:
I am from Spain and your last paragraph made me chuckle.
Not that long ago gin and tonic was considered an old person's
drink and there were very few brands available, but 10~15 years
ago it exploded in popularity. All of sudden you could find a
million brands of gin and another million of tonic water, even in
small villages, and bartenders started to take its preparation
quite seriously.
And of course I have several friends who brag about drinking it
before it was cool xD
borlanco wrote 1 day ago:
For tips, commentary and insight about visiting Madrid, and the rest
of Spain, this Youtube channel [0] is a gold mine.
James and Yoly really enjoy living here in Madrid, and they explain
the good and the bad of our culture and customs. No bullsh*t, warts
and all.
[0]
URI [1]: https://www.youtube.com/@spainrevealed
nextos wrote 1 day ago:
I also prefer Madrid, which I believe is really under-rated, but
Barcelona is superb as well.
Sadly, Barcelona is a bit too hyped and gentrified. It suffers from
the same kind of issues SF has.
Both are great in terms of access to an inexpensive talent pool.
electrozav wrote 16 hours 45 min ago:
Tech workers here are paid so much less than they should be;
there's tons of unemployment only to earn 15k/yr when theyre at
work. Salaries like this are a joke and should rise
raverbashing wrote 15 hours 35 min ago:
No, your avg tech worker is not going to be making 15k/yr. Maybe
around 40k/yr and that would be an "average" salary for a
non-senior position.
narag wrote 7 hours 5 min ago:
No, your avg tech worker is not going to be making 15k/yr.
Maybe around 40k/yr and that would be an "average" salary for a
non-senior position.
Both of you are wrong for different reasons. The truth is more
nuanced.
First, Madrid is very different from the rest of the country.
Salaries are higher, still half of what our neighbors of the
north have. 15k/20k sounds like a rest-of-the-country average.
Even in Madrid 40k⬠is far from average, that it's more
likely 28k.
40 is the salary for a very senior o very specialized
programmer/analyst.
But there's a caveat that makes you closer to reality for
Madrid and it's if you add forced pension and health insurance
that the employer pays. It's around 40% on top of the raw
salary, so someone earning 30k is really costing 42k to the
employer.
After income tax, those 30k become 24k :(
mpeg wrote 15 hours 10 min ago:
What a weird take to defend tech salaries in Spain, I'd love to
move but the very top salaries for my level cap around 80-90k
EUR so it'd be quite a big drop even compared to the UK
raverbashing wrote 13 hours 54 min ago:
As the other comment said, it is not a defense
But be aware that the London salaries upper tail is wider,
possibly brought up by the quant firms (which are a different
kind of company than most are accustomed)
levels.fyi gives 112kE as the median and 200kE/90% for London
vs around 60kE for the median and 90kE/90% (pretax for both)
mpeg wrote 7 hours 50 min ago:
Levels.fyi is always very inflated for anything outside of
FAANG â to the point where it's not realistic
Glassdoor lists the average for SWEs for Madrid at 35kâ¬
vs London at £66k (76kâ¬) which even accounting for cost
of living is quite a big difference
harperlee wrote 14 hours 22 min ago:
Where do you read a defense of anything? This is not a "weird
take", just a statement of a fact (may it be true or false):
that the average is ~40k and not ~15k (it is currently
illegal to pay less than 15.876 euros per year).
aerhardt wrote 1 day ago:
Iâm glad more and more people are realizing. Preferring it over
Barcelona is very personal; I completely get people who prefer a
coastal city as beautiful as the Ciudad Condal. But Madrid was
underrated for ages. Itâs sunny, beautiful, safe, fun, imperial.
Luckily itâs been booming for a while now.
inferiorhuman wrote 1 day ago:
I preferred Madrid as well, however as far as museums go I would make
a trip to Barcelona just for MACBA.
lionkor wrote 1 day ago:
Which time of year would you recommend?
tgv wrote 1 day ago:
Spring or autumn. Summer is simply too hot.
I preferred it over Barcelona, too.
danieldisu wrote 1 day ago:
March - early June or Mid September - November
Avoid July and August, horrible heat and most people have left the
city
severino wrote 1 day ago:
> Avoid July and August, horrible heat and most people have left
the city
You mean it's bad that you don't have to wait in lines or get
into crowded spaces?
telesilla wrote 1 day ago:
There are still tourists who for some weird reason come in the
worst heat. Bring a hat.
singleshot_ wrote 23 hours 38 min ago:
Also sleep during most of the afternoon. Everything is open
late.
endisneigh wrote 1 day ago:
Iâm curious how you produce this? How could I make this for my house
or neighborhood?
Things like matterport seem too proprietary. This particular one seems
to be a far higher quality as well.
Iâm curious what rig they used.
infl8ed wrote 14 hours 33 min ago:
At my company we use [1] to display 360 images (e.g. [1]
examples/showcase/sky/), though the images themselves are produced
from rendered models
URI [1]: https://aframe.io/
URI [2]: https://aframe.io/examples/showcase/sky/
speps wrote 1 day ago:
If you look at the floor it says "Second Canvasâ¢" which is the
company behind it it seems:
URI [1]: https://www.secondcanvas.net/
totalview wrote 1 day ago:
I wonder what camera sensor was used to produce this. A DSLR on a
pano/360 rig? Or something purpose built like a Weiss AG Civetta 230MP
360 scanning camera.
bahmboo wrote 1 day ago:
They also have x-rays of the individual works. Those seem to have
been done in a separate process from the visible photos. Click on the
camera icon next to a piece and there is then an additional selection
for x-ray view.
raverbashing wrote 15 hours 33 min ago:
Well, yes you need to take the painting out for an xray view
fastaguy88 wrote 1 day ago:
I think in the intro they show a Nikon on a motorized panning head.
mannycalavera42 wrote 1 day ago:
I LOVE this
I would pay for being able to rent to audioguide for a couple of days
(similarly to how you can rent the audioguide during the in person
visit)
thomastjeffery wrote 1 day ago:
It's cool to have a virtual tour of open gallery space, but it would be
orders of magnitude cooler to have a virtual tour of the works in a
museum's collection that are not on view.
Most museums are only able to show a few dozen or hundred works in
their galleries at a time, but store thousands of works in their
collection. In an effort to accommodate this reality, many museums
publish a freely available database of their collection. There isn't
really a standard practice for creating, maintaining, and publishing
these databases, so it really depends on each museum's collections team
to do that work; and it will always be a relatively low priority.
Digital exhibitions could radically change that.
chatmasta wrote 23 hours 56 min ago:
Thereâs a museum in Rotterdam called The Depot that always has all
its works on exhibit and available to the public.
thomastjeffery wrote 23 hours 41 min ago:
From Wikipedia:
> The entire deposit collection of Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen
(more than 151,000 objects housed together, arranged in fourteen
storage compartments with five different climates) is stored here
and is publicly accessible, on a total floor area of 15,541 m2.
That's incredible.
chatmasta wrote 23 hours 25 min ago:
You should probably have a tour guide on your first time there.
Personally I was a bit confused which of the climate-controlled
rooms I was actually allowed to enter (the doors all look like
highly secure entrypoints). So I felt like I missed out on some
exhibits and only scratched the surface of what they had on
display (vs. in a filing cabinet).
Animats wrote 1 day ago:
Apple has one of those tours for their museum.[1]
Apple used to be big on that. They called it "Quicktime VR"(1998) [2]
The main application today is real estate sales.[3] [1] [2]
URI [1]: https://applemuseum360.com
URI [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTime_VR
URI [3]: https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/int/virtualtour3d-fil...
OleksiiA wrote 1 day ago:
English version:
URI [1]: https://www.museodelprado.es/en/visita-virtual-coleccion-2023
andsoitis wrote 1 day ago:
Do they have a VR experience too?
mannycalavera42 wrote 1 day ago:
yes, there is the cardboard button (last icon in the middle bottom of
the screen)
speps wrote 1 day ago:
I really wish these projects, usually financed partially by European
grants and other such schemes (aka tax payers), would release the raw
data and let people develop their own experience with it.
Open data from museums are the only way I can see it being archived for
the long term benefit of society.
PS: why the downvotes? It's literally written at the end but there's no
download link anywhere...
> Funded with the National Recovery and Resilience Plan (NRPP),
Spainâs Next Generation EU financing and according to the initiatives
within the component C.24.I3 Digitization and valorization of major
cultural services, included in Prado Training as an Inclusive
experience of visit.
dmje wrote 1 day ago:
Many, many museums release their collections databases as open
APIâs, and many of the artworks are licensed under open licenses.
Thatâs not to say they couldnât do more - but itâs a very
active area in many museums.
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