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        altgans wrote 3 days ago:
        Anyone knows what the "nude people dancing" [1] image from the post is
        called? Or how to call the art-style?
        
        I find it oddly fascinating. Like hieroglyphs and cave-paintings. Or
        like greek paintings on a vase.
        
        1:
        
   URI  [1]: https://freight.cargo.site/t/original/i/84d93e7b90e024156d88e6...
       
          zevyoura wrote 3 days ago:
          It's "Dance" by Matisse:
          
   URI    [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_(Matisse)
       
            altgans wrote 2 days ago:
            Thank you very much!
       
        irscott wrote 3 days ago:
        Any plans to sell kits for us suckers who don't have 3d printers? I'd
        buy one right now.
       
        tantalor wrote 3 days ago:
        Why not put a lever handle on there so you don't have to push so hard?
        Use mechanical advantage!
        
        Y'know like a tortilla press:
        
   URI  [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_press
       
          sandworm101 wrote 3 days ago:
          Because this thing is plastic.    It is struggling enough already. 
          There is a reason printers used metal rather than wood blocks.
       
            garysieling wrote 3 days ago:
            Wood is pretty common for type, especially poster sizes, and there
            are some hobbyists still who use it for engravings
       
            Robotbeat wrote 3 days ago:
            Of course, the Chinese predecessor of the Gutenberg press used
            wooden blocks.
       
            tantalor wrote 3 days ago:
            My suggestion is purely intended to improve ergonomics, not to
            actually push the device to its breaking point, but I see how that
            could be a problem.
       
        willcipriano wrote 3 days ago:
        Imagine if we could show Gutenberg what has become of his invention.
        "We took the printing idea, made it work in 3 dimensions, and now we
        can print the printing press".
       
          eggy wrote 3 days ago:
          I would imagine he would say, "after 580 years and that's it. Where
          are the flying horse and buggies?"
       
            blululu wrote 3 days ago:
            Well we do have airplanes and they’re pretty impressive, but also
            pretty different from a printing press. The ‘where’s my jet
            pack’ mentality is born out of a very quick pace of progress. The
            delta from the 600 years prior to Gutenberg is substantially lower
            than th 509 years after. He would probably be impressed.
            
            The OP’s point about the generality of of modern printing
            technology is also interesting as it reflects market dynamics.
            Getting two different fonts on the same document used to be a
            stretch.
       
        tunnuz wrote 3 days ago:
        This looks great, so many opportunities for artists.
       
        tinus_hn wrote 3 days ago:
        Unfortunately this doesn’t include the coolest part of this kind of
        press, the Linotype steam powered automatic typesetter.
       
        gavindo wrote 3 days ago:
        Collaborator on the zine machine here. Great to see this on HN!
        
        Just as an FYI, we will be hosting a live Q&A this Saturday 1 — 2pm
        EST. You can find a link to the event in the schedule on the homepage:
        hibred.pmvabf.org
       
          irscott wrote 3 days ago:
          Any plans to sell pre made kits of this? I'd love to get my
          girlfriend something like this but I don't have a 3d printer.
       
        daenz wrote 3 days ago:
        Awesome. This goes on my "technology to have for when society
        collapses" list.
       
          ComodoHacker wrote 3 days ago:
          Just don't forget to keep your strategic reserve of all the fab-made
          components 3D printer is built of.
       
            eggy wrote 3 days ago:
            And an electric generator, tons of filament stores in giant ZipLoc
            bags, guns to protect your "free press", etc...
       
              vorpalhex wrote 3 days ago:
              Well you simply print the guns and 3d printer parts. It's the
              power source stable enough to not interrupt long prints that's a
              pain.
       
        atum47 wrote 3 days ago:
        Really cool ideia, but my comment today goes to Clippy. I thought about
        using it on my web site, but I was afraid of running into some legal
        issues. I wrote a pretty decent animation system for it. Did you change
        the colors of yours to avoid getting into trouble also?
       
          southerntofu wrote 3 days ago:
          Can't answer for the site operator, but you probably won't get into
          any kind of legal trouble for anything non a non-profit site,
          especially since commercial use of "Clippy" stopped over a decade
          ago.
       
        mikewarot wrote 3 days ago:
        It turns out you can put a LOT of force through 3d printer parts if you
        don't care about getting a lot of cycles.  Here's a video from 2018 of
        3d printed Press Brake Dies [1] Perhaps there is a way to feed this
        "press" between a set of rollers to make a harder impression?
        
   URI  [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fTY5L5uu0
       
          roel_v wrote 3 days ago:
          I saw someone on YT the other day who basically printed his part with
          20% infill and a honeycomb infill pattern, no bottom, then poured
          epoxy into the honeycomb, and then used the resulting solid 'die' to
          form sheet metal. Amazing times we live in, where you can do things
          like that with < $400 total worth of tools from any hardware store.
       
            imtringued wrote 3 days ago:
            You can go straight for 0% infill (vasemode).
            
   URI      [1]: https://youtu.be/aEoBkH05xGY
       
              LegitShady wrote 3 days ago:
              you want something to keep the perimeters stiff if you care about
              the dimensions or if the parts aren't this small.  The weight of
              the resin pushes out the walls.
       
              roel_v wrote 3 days ago:
              Depends on the design, I don't see how one would print the design
              in the link I posted elsewhere in vase mode - even if it could be
              made to work, it would be a lot harder for no real purpose.
       
            tsukurimashou wrote 3 days ago:
            Care to post the link of the video you're talking about?
       
              roel_v wrote 3 days ago:
              I spend way too long looking for this, but here it is - [1] .
              
   URI        [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxzqkhmcRlY
       
          fudged71 wrote 3 days ago:
          100% infill helps. There’s also a new method of post-print
          sintering in your oven using powdered salt
       
            mikewarot wrote 2 days ago:
            > There’s also a new method of post-print sintering in your oven
            using powdered salt
            
            Here is the salt annealing video:
            
   URI      [1]: https://youtu.be/nRLJ4ylGTFc
       
          schreiaj wrote 3 days ago:
          Also depending on loading. Printed parts can be relatively strong
          under compression but tend to be weak under tension relative to their
          printed axis. Shear is a mixed bag, it does depend on layer adhesion
          at that point.
       
        fentonc wrote 3 days ago:
        I made one of these about 8 years ago! [1] Although theirs is a much
        better execution =)
        
   URI  [1]: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:113044
       
          southerntofu wrote 3 days ago:
          That was pretty cool, thanks for sharing!
       
        jandrese wrote 3 days ago:
        Are you supposed to customize the letter plate in your slicer before
        printing?  The default plates in the zipfile don't seem well designed
        for a traditional movable type system.    It's 13 full copies of the
        alphabet, and 3 lines of the most common characters, but even that
        leaves you with an abundance of X, Z, K, etc... and a relatively modest
        number of vowels.  There doesn't appear to be any capital letters
        either.
        
        I'm also confused as to the purpose of the "plates stl" directory that
        has many seemingly very similar blank plates.  The "how to make plates"
        documentation is all about building custom graphical plates.
        
        Amusingly, my slicer is estimating that it would take 28 hours to print
        the letters and spacers.
       
          jshprentz wrote 3 days ago:
          The letters and spacers 3D-print as individual pieces. Rearrange them
          to form your message and slide them onto rods that snap into the body
          frame.
          
          With the supplied letters and spacers as examples, render the font of
          your choice as additional models to 3D-print.
       
          paulmd wrote 3 days ago:
          3d printing an entire custom graphical plate with text already on it
          seems more practical in production terms, although of course you
          would be limited in design terms by the resolution of what you could
          get out of your printer.
          
          It would be interesting to do 4-color printing on this as well -
          obviously you would not have fine enough resolution to do a true
          "screen" but you could do what amount to multicolor woodcuts.  
          Wonder how good the "reproducibility" is, in terms of ensuring that
          the paper is always accurately aligned/etc.  Part of the charm
          though, I suppose.
          
          Perhaps you could do the block-printing equivalent of "ascii art" and
          use some pre-printed blocksets which don't correspond to actual
          characters, but which could be arranged to print some approximation
          of an image.
          
          Or just ascii art itself although these blocks appear to be fairly
          big for that.
          
          Pretty neat and fun little idea.
       
            jameshart wrote 3 days ago:
            If you used reusable plates as a base - basically a removable 3D
            printer bed plate - and just printed the raised parts for a plate
            directly onto it, that would seem like a pretty quick,
            filament-light way to produce plates that could be used to run off
            a few copies, before scraping the filament traces off and printing
            another plate.
            
            I wonder how few layers you could get down to and produce decent
            results?
       
            jedimastert wrote 3 days ago:
            You could probably do pretty well with a resin printer. This seems
            particularly well suited for it
       
          craftinator wrote 3 days ago:
          It makes more sense to me to just print a whole plate rather than
          individual letters. Wasteful, but compared to the normal printing
          process, really not that wasteful.
       
            beowulfey wrote 3 days ago:
            Really? That would mean you’d need a plate for every single page.
            I feel like that would blow through filament.
       
              vorpalhex wrote 3 days ago:
              You can print them pretty thin.
       
            m463 wrote 3 days ago:
            Or maybe print something more ephemeral like how a mimeograph works
            (or maybe even silk screen)
       
        fuckthemachine wrote 3 days ago:
        I did work experience when I was in highschool at an old-school
        printing press with 100yo german made printing machines and I got the
        opportunity to play with typesetting using real brass. It was pretty
        cool and massively time-consuming, I love the DIY nature of this I
        think it would be great for teaching school kids about traditional
        printing.
       
          Cthulhu_ wrote 3 days ago:
          While typesetting is pretty time consuming (I guess?), it was still a
          massive improvement over copying things by hand; it set the stage for
          mass production, so setting was done once, but then they could make
          an infinite amount of copies of anything. Mostly bibles, but still.
       
          kccqzy wrote 3 days ago:
          When I played with a real printing press, I found the labor-intensive
          step of setting the type to be relaxing. Once you were proficient at
          locating the letters from the case, you almost didn't need to think.
          And no they weren't made of brass, but lead, and you weren't suppose
          to eat finger foods after typesetting.
       
            shagie wrote 3 days ago:
            You might like Farewell - 1978 [1] > A film created by Carl
            Schlesinger and David Loeb Weiss documenting the last day of hot
            metal typesetting at The New York Times. This film shows the entire
            newspaper production process from hot-metal typesetting to creating
            stereo moulds to high-speed press operation. At the end of the
            film, the new typesetting and photographic production process is
            shown in contrast to the old ways.
            
   URI      [1]: https://vimeo.com/127605643
       
          dreamcompiler wrote 3 days ago:
          Brass? Type has traditionally been made of lead.
       
            nils-m-holm wrote 3 days ago:
            You are probably thinking of hot metal typesetting (Linotype, etc).
            Before that sorts ("types") were made from all kinds of alloys, so
            "brass" does not sound wrong.
       
              dreamcompiler wrote 3 days ago:
              When I was a cold metal typesetter all our factory-bought fonts
              were lead. Brass was typically use as molds for hot (Linotype)
              machines.
       
        kamranjon wrote 3 days ago:
        this is cool. I wonder what would motivate someone to do this over
        typewriting and photocopying to get same effect.
       
          garysieling wrote 3 days ago:
          You can get cool textures with alternative printing techniques. The
          inks used in printmaking are also very pigmented, so you get very
          rich colors/blacks, as well as some pigments you wouldn't get in a
          typewriter (e.g. dayglo colors)
       
          beowulfey wrote 3 days ago:
          as they say, sometimes it’s about the journey rather than the
          destination.
       
          readbeard wrote 3 days ago:
          Well, it wouldn't be the same effect. Similar, sure—but e.g. laser
          printing looks different from physically pressing an inked plate
          against a piece of paper. For one thing, you have the physical act of
          pressing; for another, you have different kinds of ink, and can do
          things like mix a color before you print instead of getting a bunch
          of CMYK dots.
          
          The difference is often subtle. But sometimes, it can be striking.
       
          mesh wrote 3 days ago:
          The creative process isnt just the end result, but also the process
          and medium.
       
          njharman wrote 3 days ago:
          Fuck typewriter. Use a typewriter font and laser printer.
       
          kleer001 wrote 3 days ago:
          There's a kind of process-fetishism that runs through every branch of
          creative craft.
          
          For example some writers like Neil Gaiman love their fountain pens:
          
   URI    [1]: https://www.notebookstories.com/2020/02/20/neil-gaiman-on-no...
       
            chrstphrknwtn wrote 3 days ago:
            > process-fetishism
            
            I've not heard it put so succinctly before.
       
              kleer001 wrote 3 days ago:
              Thanks :)
              
              I'm a craftsman/artist myself and it's taken this particular post
              to crystalline a life time of observation about fellow artists.
              Myself I couldn't give two shakes about how to get something
              done. But I've met plenty of fellows, at every level of
              production (more so at freshman levels because this kind of
              fetishism leads to less actual production being done as the fast
              and easy way is usually the less sexy way), that are gung ho
              about a certain verisimilitude process wise. For them, it seems
              to me, they don't think it's an honest or 'real' work unless it's
              done with a certain technique.
       
        sircastor wrote 3 days ago:
        I had several starts to college, and took a lot of English/writing
        courses across a few schools. I remember they always had a unit on
        Zines. I never really understood it. I always thought “Why wouldn’t
        you just put this on the web?” Not really appreciating that everyone
        wasn’t like me.
        
        This is pretty cool. I tend to think that if you have a computer and
        images and a 3D printer ups just put it on a website, but then again
        I’m thinking only of my narrow world view. Sometimes distributing
        literature needs to grow beyond the digital.
        
        Also sometimes simple tech makes for really interesting  engagement
       
          Robotbeat wrote 3 days ago:
          Yup. And there’s just something special about paging through the
          weird, poorly-photocopied zines that you find at your local anarchist
          coffeeshop.
       
          konjin wrote 3 days ago:
          You have no control over how something looks like on the web. The
          screens are not color calibrated, the screen sizes are arbitrary,
          layouts are not respected by browsers, hell tex is still the best
          layout engine for text and it's 40 years old.
       
        TheRealNGenius wrote 3 days ago:
        thought this was going to be 3d printing in blocks, but this is cool
        too.
       
       
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