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jlundberg wrote 21 hours 36 min ago:
This is really cool and inspiring. Looking forward to trying it on the
8086:es my kids have.
Slightly related noteworthy project:
URI [1]: http://svardos.org/
WalterBright wrote 1 day ago:
What's interesting is when I think about MS-DOS these days, I think I
could make a functional duplicate in short order. But nobody did it at
the time.
(How I'd do it is write all the semantic code in D, such as the code
for EDLIN, and debug it all. Then hand-translate it into asm.)
P.S. One of the smartest things Gates/Allen did to write their original
BASIC was to write an 8080 emulator on a PDP-10(?). This enabled much,
much faster development than trying to hand-assemble code and toggle it
in.
ab5tract wrote 23 hours 27 min ago:
Were there not many MS-DOS clones at the time?
WalterBright wrote 23 hours 19 min ago:
There was DR-DOS, but it came years later. I don't recall any
others.
fsiefken wrote 1 day ago:
Can it run Windows 3.11 and if so would there be a multitasking, lfn,
speed or memory advantage in doing so compared to dr-dos, ms-dos or
freedos?
marttt wrote 1 day ago:
Question: considering that the Mpxplay music player [1] supports native
audio playback via Intel HDA on DOS (confirmed with FreeDOS), should it
also work out of the box on ST-DOS?
1:
URI [1]: https://mpxplay.sourceforge.net/
mtmk wrote 1 day ago:
Nothing like the good old days of CRT monitors, buzzing floppy drives,
loud hard disks, and the good ol' DOS prompt C:>.
souvlakee wrote 1 day ago:
How do people create a 90s old-school dial-up design in 2024? Is there
a special framework for it?
Sharlin wrote 1 day ago:
All the HTML that worked back then still works, so Iâm not sure
what youâre asking? Table layouting works just as it used to. HTML
4.01 Transitional doctype works. `` works. And so on. You just write
HTML. By hand. As disturbing as it may sound in 2024.
This specimen is particularly pure, not having any sort of a
stylesheet (after all, we had CSS 2.0 already in 1998), the only tag
pointing to the RSS feed (which we didnât have until 1999)!
scrumper wrote 1 day ago:
Haha really? Can't tell if joking. Something else we used to do in
the '90s was View Source.
marttt wrote 1 day ago:
This sure is a Very Finnish Project. (Definition: a completely random
Finn, always carrying a barely noticeable smirk, is taking an utterly
improbable or completely unnecessary project and finishing it to
absolute, ridiculous perfection. Warmest greetings to all Finns from
the other side of the Gulf! I love you guys forever.)
Also, there was more discussion on ST-DOS (involving the author) on the
Dos Ain't Dead forum:
URI [1]: http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=20883
actionfromafar wrote 1 day ago:
If only this power could be harnessed. But I think by definition, it
can't. :-)
rauli_ wrote 1 day ago:
Like Linux or MySQL?
e12e wrote 17 hours 19 min ago:
Secure Shell?
omoikane wrote 23 hours 49 min ago:
The first thought that came to my mind were actually the Future
Crew, and one of their members were also named Sami (but seems
unrelated to this author).
wenc wrote 1 day ago:
Sisu?
exikyut wrote 1 day ago:
Finnishing it*
FTFY
vanderZwan wrote 1 day ago:
I don't know what it is about Finnish culture that results in such a
significant number of permacomputing hackers¹ that go to great lengths
to preserve old-hardware, but I am grateful for it.
¹ When I say significant I mean "at least two, but one of them is
viznut"². That is significant, right?
²
URI [1]: http://viznut.fi/en/
layer8 wrote 1 day ago:
Context:
URI [1]: http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/fdshell/philosophy.php
JdeBP wrote 1 day ago:
Reading the documentation, "this is a clone of MS-DOS" turns out to be
quite a misleading summary of what this is.
The documentation claims things (which I have not verified personally)
such as forking, signals, and pipes. Instead of a SUBST command there
is a MOUNT command. And there's a convoluted piece of hooplah that
stands in place of what MS-DOS could do with the SHELL= line in
CONFIG.SYS .
skissane wrote 1 day ago:
> Reading the documentation, "this is a clone of MS-DOS" turns out to
be quite a misleading summary of what this is.
Not a "clone" in the sense of 100% compatible... but a "clone" in the
sense of borrowing a significant degree of ideas and APIs/syntax from
it, yet also deviating at various points (whether for good reasons or
for idiosyncratic ones)
It is a clone more in the sense that the Japanese mainframe operating
systems Fujitsu MSP and Hitachi VOS3 are/were clones of IBM MVS: they
started out as a direct copy of MVSâdue to IBM having released
earlier versions into the public domain, and Fujitsu/Hitachi
illegally stealing the IP of later onesâbut over time diverged in
incompatible directions
smoppi wrote 1 day ago:
ST-DOS is a DOS implementation, but it is not meant to be a clone
of MS-DOS. It is mostly syscall-compatible with MS-DOS, but the
driver API and many other things are completely different. After
all the definition of DOS is just "disk operating system".
All real mode programs that are compiled with Watcom C/C++ should
work. The most recent versions of Watcom's protected mode runtime
don't currently work, because they use some undocumented MS-DOS
syscalls that are not implemented in ST-DOS. I intend to create a
compatibility TSR that will solve most issues with those MS-DOS
programs.
TheDudeMan wrote 1 day ago:
Oh, DOS. Fond memories.
My first experience was the 3.x era. Does anyone else remember DR-DOS?
UncleSlacky wrote 1 day ago:
I enjoyed playing the built-in "Advanced NetWars" game:
URI [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetWars#Legacy
aidenn0 wrote 1 day ago:
I had a single game that, AFAICT, the CD-ROM version couldn't run on
MS-DOS the normal way because the intro it showed needed more
conventional memory that was possible with mscdex loaded[1]. There
was a workaround that consisted of running the program that would
resume from the latest save, then exiting to the main menu. If you
had a large enough hard-drive, you could also run it by copying the
data to your hard drive, then manually pointing the game at the path
(thus allowing you to omit the CD-ROM driver).
I managed to get it to run off the CD by using the nwcdex (From
Novell Dos 7, after Novell purchased Digital Research), which could
load itself into EMS.
1: This was the CD-ROM version of Master of Magic. The intro needed
approximately 630KB of conventional memory to run.
b3lvedere wrote 1 day ago:
Yes. Many years ago when i worked for a computer shop, i was kinda
'forced' by the shop owner to sell it whenever a new computer was
sold. He bought lots of it and nobody would buy it.
I hated it.
Back in the BBS era i loved 4DOS, but looking back in hindsight it
was just a bunch of extra tools on top of MS-Dos.
TheDudeMan wrote 1 day ago:
I had that one, too. Good stuff. Yeah, just tools, but useful.
shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote 1 day ago:
I remember my cousin ran DR-DOS 6 on their PC.
Maakuth wrote 1 day ago:
[1] here's a github mirror of the source code, if you don't feel like
downloading the zip for perusal.
URI [1]: https://github.com/Gessle/leet_os
skissane wrote 1 day ago:
Not clear at first what this is.
Turns out it is someoneâs personal clone of MS-DOS.
Nothing to do with Atari ST, the âSTâ is the authorâs initials
quenix wrote 1 day ago:
> Nothing to do with Atari ST, the âSTâ is the authorâs
initials
Or STM32, as I initially suspected.
Findecanor wrote 1 day ago:
Not a far-fetched thought though. The Atari ST's "TOS" used MS-DOS
formatted floppies.
cmrdporcupine wrote 1 day ago:
And its "GEMDOS" was basically a fusion of MS-DOS and CP/M, but on
68/k. (not surprising since it was made by Digital Research).
squarefoot wrote 1 day ago:
I was confused as well. Turns out the right link is this one: [1]
Tl;Dr: "lEEt/OS is a graphical shell and partially posix-compliant
multitasking operating environment that runs on top of a DOS kernel."
[...] "lEEt/OS is slowly but surely migrating from FreeDOS to ST-DOS,
its own DOS kernel."
URI [1]: http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/fdshell/index.php
danbruc wrote 1 day ago:
I recently stumbled across the MS-DOS 1.25 and 2.0 source code [1]
URI [1]: https://github.com/microsoft/MS-DOS
hnlmorg wrote 1 day ago:
The tag line in that site changes with each refresh. I had one which
read something like
> Hardware assisted multitasking was an error
Which made me chuckle.
jpalomaki wrote 1 day ago:
There's also a link to an emulator, running in browser:
URI [1]: https://archive.org/details/losb425#
esafak wrote 1 day ago:
ST as in Atari?
kqr wrote 1 day ago:
Confusingly, the operating system of the ST was called TOS â The
Operating System.
efrecon wrote 1 day ago:
or Tramiel Operating System?
bregma wrote 1 day ago:
The ST was named using Sam Tramiel's initials, so I always
assumed TOS was Tramiel Operating System. It's all Tramiel from
Commodore on down.
Findecanor wrote 1 day ago:
Officially ST stood for "SixTeen", as it was a 16-bit system.
That was emphasised when the later 68030-based model in the
series was named TT ("ThirtyTwo").
richrichardsson wrote 1 day ago:
Interesting, I'd read somewhere that is was
"Sixteen/Thirty-two", as M68k has a 16 bit data bus but is 32
bit internally.
TT was then Thirty-two/Thirty-two as the '030 data bus was 32
bits.
Yours makes more sense though.
xenophonf wrote 1 day ago:
Maybe! Could also be ST as in Sami Tikkanen, the author.
Edit: Ooh, looks like ST-DOS is this person's MS-DOS clone. Nifty!
otabdeveloper4 wrote 1 day ago:
St.DOS
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