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geostupid wrote 3 hours 47 min ago:
This is fantastic! One of my favorite things about traveling is
experiencing their media--it gives me that same feeling.
Also, as someone that studied Geography extensively, it's an excellent
review in that respect as well. One can quickly jump from one place to
another.
Bonus points for using a globe, and not a map!
Chihuahua0633 wrote 4 hours 12 min ago:
Is there some way to find a stream url to toss into VLC - if you wanted
to easily watch this on your actual TV?
jccalhoun wrote 6 hours 10 min ago:
Pretty fun. Reminds me of the 90s when my parents had a big satellite
dish and I would spend time going from satellite to satellite seeing
what was being broadcast in the clear. There's something about
discovering something weird that you never knew existed. There are some
b-movie channels on roku that i love just because I never know what
kind of weird movie they will play
I do wish there was some kind of Shazam for movies/tv shows because
there are times when I flip on one of those in the middle of a movie,
get into it, and then have the hardest time trying to find the name of
it.
danvoell wrote 4 hours 44 min ago:
"Shazam for movies/tv shows" - We watched a Spanish Game Show while
abroad this spring break. There was a team that kept winning and my
family got behind them. I returned home and figured we could jump
right back in and watch it remotely. After searching for hours, I'm
not sure the show ever existed and might actually be a figment of my
imagination even though we have photos, clips from it, and even know
the name of the show. There could definitely be a need for this.
Maybe shazam meets low cost pay per view for "low demand licensed
content".
INTPenis wrote 7 hours 27 min ago:
So it's only getting videos from youtube that claim to be from Sweden.
But very few of them actually were. The very first images I saw was a
racoon, not common here at all.
bookofjoe wrote 7 hours 55 min ago:
URI [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43505838
nkanaev wrote 8 hours 8 min ago:
Checks his own country: "No channels available."
Damn, even Afghanistan has a dozen available.
ctm92 wrote 8 hours 23 min ago:
The name is ironic, as there is a german TV show called Fernsehgarten
(basically television garden). It's broadcasted live every sunday
morning during summer season on ZDF, basically it's a outdoor studio
with music and other things around a topic every week.
Mostly targeted to elderly people, but funny to watch every once in a
while. You can even go there in person for quite cheap
whoisstan wrote 8 hours 7 min ago:
The name is probably inspired by TV Garden from Nam June Paik from
the 70s
aa-jv wrote 8 hours 45 min ago:
Not to be confused with [1] ... must resist urge to make Buggles joke
..
URI [1]: https://radio.garden/
londons_explore wrote 8 hours 52 min ago:
Really notable that all the youtube feeds work and load fast, whereas
all the other feeds are 50/50 if they work or not, and if they do load
they're slow, laggy and bad quality.
Props to the youtube engineering team I guess!
memalign wrote 10 hours 6 min ago:
Heck yeah, they have ReBoot:
URI [1]: https://tv.garden/us/qRH5QbLVuLvQQR
pete1302 wrote 10 hours 36 min ago:
I spent hours watching French Drama, I don't know any French.
yard2010 wrote 10 hours 30 min ago:
Same but with Indian drama. I found out that matlab in hindu means
"what do you mean?". I wonder what "numpy" means..
temp0826 wrote 10 hours 51 min ago:
Feels like I got an inter-dimensional cable box from Rick&Morty
netsharc wrote 9 hours 15 min ago:
Isn't that what TikTok is, or Instagram real? Swipe up and it's
something completely different.
Then again, the "algorithm"(TM) is geared to showing you what
captures your attention in order to keep you watching and get those
ad impressions out of you, so the videos end up being very same.
Also it's curious, a few days after that hurrican/flooding in a few
months ago, a lot of the videos being shown were about houses being
swept away in water. A few days ago a lot of the videos were of water
falling off infinity pools and that collapsing skyscraper in Thailand
(RIP).
devnexus16 wrote 11 hours 20 min ago:
Intriguing concept! Combining TV with virtual world exploration opens
up fascinating possibilities. The demo is impressive, but I'm curious
about plans for content beyond scenic walks. Interactive experiences?
Educational journeys? With the right partnerships and creative
direction, this could become a compelling new medium for immersive
storytelling.
jonathanlydall wrote 12 hours 13 min ago:
Pretty cool overall. On South Africa some of its listings are radio
stations "broadcasting" over YouTube.
morsch wrote 13 hours 14 min ago:
An option to sort stations by (some reasonable measure of) popularity
instead of alphabetically would be nice.
genewitch wrote 12 hours 43 min ago:
So, all China and India for 16 pages?
morsch wrote 11 hours 52 min ago:
I was thinking within a country. But sure, that would make more
sense than only alphabetical sorting for the global listings as
well. Hadn't even noticed those.
If you wanted -- and you had the data, which you probably don't --
you could make the sorting criteria the share of viewers (ie.
percentage as opposed to absolute numbers), that way countries with
unusually large audiences wouldn't always appear at the top. Though
that comes with its own issues.
pleyr wrote 13 hours 21 min ago:
this is very clean..
hi from Pleyr,
URI [1]: https://pleyr.net/
matt3210 wrote 13 hours 42 min ago:
Very nice!
nit: country label appears under the mouse. Edge Browser, Mac
abhishekY495 wrote 14 hours 5 min ago:
Clicked on a channel and it started playing the video pretty quickly.
There is also [1] but your UI is much better.
URI [1]: https://github.com/iptv-org/iptv
cbozeman wrote 15 hours 2 min ago:
Thanks to this website I learned that ABC 25 Waco TV (KXXV) has some
incredibly good interlude music.
sexy_seedbox wrote 15 hours 21 min ago:
How to select Hong Kong?
philsnow wrote 12 hours 47 min ago:
URI [1]: https://tv.garden/hk
totetsu wrote 16 hours 3 min ago:
There are some conspicuous erasures of countries on the data used to
make this map.
joshuaturner wrote 15 hours 57 min ago:
I was really hoping to catch up on Real Housewives of Vatican City
totetsu wrote 15 hours 48 min ago:
and Survivor Palau. I noticed New Zealand was missing and Island,
Cyprus had no Türkiye on it, Gaza was part of Israel, etcetc
derac wrote 16 hours 42 min ago:
This is awesome. If the site owner is reading this, favorites would be
cool.
cbozeman wrote 15 hours 4 min ago:
As someone mentioned, each channel has it's own unique URL. Create a
Bookmarks / Favorites folder in your browser of choice and just add.
hombre_fatal wrote 18 hours 0 min ago:
Can someone explain the economics of this?
So, there are a bunch of open http endpoints serving free video feeds
and they don't care about bandwidth?
It's not like radio where you broadcast it and people passively receive
the signal.
This is a great service for language practice, though. Wish it had a
login + favorites system.
al_borland wrote 15 hours 42 min ago:
> Wish it had a login + favorites system.
The URL updates with the channel youâre watching. Your browser
bookmarks could be used as your own favorites system.
hunter2_ wrote 16 hours 27 min ago:
I never got into this aspect of networking, so I truly don't know
what I'm talking about and wish someone will correct me, but on some
level, IP does indeed have broadcast/multicast capabilities that
cause the sender's egress traffic to remain independent of the number
of recipients rather than being equal to the sum of recipients'
ingress traffic, right? Does this only work downstream of the last
router, and therefore has limited usefulness on the internet?
keeperofdakeys wrote 13 hours 47 min ago:
> IP does indeed have broadcast/multicast capabilities that cause
the sender's egress traffic to remain independent of the number of
recipients rather than being equal to the sum of recipients'
ingress traffic, right?
Yes multicast, however you can't do multicast over the internet. In
practise the technology is mainly used in production and enterprise
scenarios (broadcast, signage, hotels, stadiums, etc).
Instead big streaming platforms like netflix or twich use CDN boxes
installed locally at major ISPs. Also with so much hardware
acceleration on modern NICs these days, it's surprisingly easy to
handle Gbits of throughput for audio/video streaming.
londons_explore wrote 8 hours 50 min ago:
> however you can't do multicast over the internet
Some parts of the internet do actually support multicast. The
BBC did IPTV via multicast to subscribers in the UK for a while.
acomjean wrote 15 hours 18 min ago:
I think you are right. Multicast is typically udp and only
available on your local net if the router is configured for it. I
haven't used multicast in along so I might be wrong. I remember
network updates breaking it.
URI [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast
hsuduebc2 wrote 17 hours 36 min ago:
I wouldn't they don't care. It just wasn't problem for them. But
basically yes. I blindly checked few of the TV's listed for my
country and every one of them had live stream on Google publicly
available somewhere.
But is this really a concern for them? If they are making money from
advertisement this just add them justification for higher price of an
ad.
dkh wrote 12 hours 34 min ago:
They aren't making money from this, but they are likely operating
at a scale where they either don't notice if 1000 nerds on the
internet are piggybacking their feeds, or don't care all that much.
It is not likely useful to them in negotiating ad rates, at least
not with how advertising is usually bought/sold, because the
broadcaster has almost no information (if any) about anyone
watching these streams, including if it's even a person. It's
possible they could fold it into a more general ad package that
places a lot of weight on total view/viewers numbers, but that is a
lot less common these days, and when it is done, the rates tend to
be much lower
hsuduebc2 wrote 11 hours 44 min ago:
Yea I meant it is an argument they can use but not a good metric
at all. I agree that mostly they just do not care. This tool only
means that they'll get more international views from curious
people but in the end it means nothing.
Mindwipe wrote 7 hours 47 min ago:
It doesn't even really mean that, the ones that care are
already geofiltered. Most of these feeds only work in their
country of origin.
exogeny wrote 18 hours 30 min ago:
We've got -- nothing better to do! Than watch TV! And have a couple of
brews!
DecentShoes wrote 18 hours 35 min ago:
It's cool, but are you not worried about a huge lawsuit from
rebroadcasting copyrighted content without a licence?
dkh wrote 12 hours 21 min ago:
My guess is this was launched to get some attention or as some sort
of proof-of-concept or whatever, and that it perhaps is not intended
to be a sustainable platform, at least not in this form. And they
probably assume if there's a problem, they'll just get a cease &
desist notice and have to take the channel down (which is probably
true).
Definitely has to be a bit of a #yolo project launch though. Other
concerns as well including GDPR compliance
onionisafruit wrote 18 hours 57 min ago:
Crazy that I can change channels on this faster than on youtube tv
financetechbro wrote 19 hours 18 min ago:
TIL Thereâs a Mr. Beast channel in the US
trompetenaccoun wrote 16 hours 11 min ago:
Is there? Or is that just his Youtube channel on a loop?
dkh wrote 12 hours 28 min ago:
It's both. It's a FAST channel being used by I think Pluto.TV and
Roku to give them another "live 24/7" "channel" for their catalogs,
but underneath is just looping playlist of YouTube content.
That's actually what a huge number of the channels on this site
are, and I do wish they were labeled and filterable that way.
thomasfromcdnjs wrote 19 hours 19 min ago:
Love it
alabhyajindal wrote 19 hours 22 min ago:
Wonderful! Works surprisingly well!
mcflubbins wrote 19 hours 29 min ago:
Checks out.
Clicked on a channel in the Philippines and immediately had to sit
through 5 soap related commercials, precisely what I recall from my
time there.
DaiPlusPlus wrote 17 hours 2 min ago:
> had to sit through 5 soap related commercials
Not the skin-lightening kind, I hope? Those ads were... odd.
I spent the late-1990s in Manila, for me it was Jollibee ads, and an
oddly recurrent anti-corruption PSA which, I think, made corruption
look quite appealing, actually.
mcflubbins wrote 6 hours 8 min ago:
Nope, a couple of Pride Bar commercials one for Safe Guard and a
couple of laundry detergent ones.
I agree the skin lightening soap was weird for me too. Its kind of
interesting how people yearn for what they don't have (pale light
skin women in the west tanning, tan darker skinned women in the
east lightening...)
lawgimenez wrote 16 hours 37 min ago:
Skin lightening products are famous here for social status. Itâs
so fake.
ThatMedicIsASpy wrote 17 hours 23 min ago:
I have a hard time recalling the last time I watched ads outside of
Cyberpunk 2077 where I watched, listened and actively search for them
in my first hours.
But now I want to actively want to know how ads look all around the
world.
mcflubbins wrote 6 hours 6 min ago:
I made some mix tapes a couple years ago for my wife (Filipino)
with some of her favorite Filipino artists. I searched for radio
bumpers and commercials from the stations we used to hear on the
radio and in taxis to put in-between every couple songs as if it
were a radio station it was so much fun and made her feel like
home, reminded me of my years spent there too!
airstrike wrote 18 hours 55 min ago:
Same here. Clicked Brazil, SBT and they're showing Chaves (El Chavo
del Ocho) reruns, just like they were 30 years ago...
mvdtnz wrote 20 hours 7 min ago:
Cool project. Unfortunately I get infinite spinners on all non-Youtube
videos in Firefox. Works in Chrome.
lxgr wrote 20 hours 1 min ago:
Works for me in Firefox!
hei-lima wrote 20 hours 8 min ago:
Just a great project!
blueflow wrote 20 hours 19 min ago:
Go to Germany, select "KIKA" and you can see the depressed bread.
xobs wrote 8 hours 44 min ago:
"KIKA" just shows an infinitely-looping 10-second clip of a sign
swinging that translates to "Unfortunately, you can only watch the
current video if you are in Germany."
singularity2001 wrote 13 hours 44 min ago:
For me Germany and Estland are confused de/ee !?
j_french wrote 19 hours 29 min ago:
I have so many questions. Why is the bread depressed? Why is it in
space? Why is the soundtrack so cool?
netsharc wrote 9 hours 14 min ago:
1 month ago:
URI [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43205563
ternus wrote 18 hours 47 min ago:
The bread is the mascot of the TV channel: [1] -- an article
surprisingly full of gems such as this:
> The reason for Bernd's depression was revealed in the 85th
episode of the series. In his telling: "[...] A long, long time ago
I fell in love with a beautiful, slim baguette. She was so
unbelievably charming and funny. But unfortunately, my affection
was in vain. She only had eyes for this perfect stranger, a
multigrain bread. It was so devastating. [...] My heart has been a
dry clump of flour ever since."
Late at night (i.e. right now in the US), KiKA plays a "late night
loop" starring Bernd.
URI [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_das_Brot
NKosmatos wrote 20 hours 20 min ago:
Thereâs also Radio Garden
URI [1]: https://radio.garden/
LightBug1 wrote 7 hours 5 min ago:
That was literally in my top 10 favourite websites until the UK f'd
it up ... actually, I haven't tried using it with a VPN
steelegbr wrote 10 hours 47 min ago:
It's worth remembering that Radio Garden is now gubbed for
transatlantic listening from the UK due to music licencing issues.
The same problem also impacts TuneIn.
indoor47 wrote 10 hours 16 min ago:
tv.garden might witness similar issues :/
jjbinx007 wrote 10 hours 16 min ago:
"Station Unavailable
Users in the United Kingdom are restricted from tuning in to
stations outside of the UK for an indefinite period due to
copyright and neighboring rights related matters that require
clarification.
Stations situated in the UK continue to be available.
For more information please read the statement in the 'Settings'
section."
vivzkestrel wrote 15 hours 23 min ago:
maybe we need a podcast.garden now
dkh wrote 12 hours 53 min ago:
Most [public] podcasts are registered in Apple's podcast registry,
which is what most podcast apps with a global search/discovery
feature queries, and why these apps can all turn up the same
podcasts. There are also things like [1] that put give it a more
general web frontend.
I suppose that the not public podcasts could be aggregated
somewhere, but I'm less of a fan of that, and there's also some
technical reasons why this would be more difficult than it was to
aggregate these IPTV HLS streams.
Being able to view them by country or whatever is interesting,
though I think perhaps less so for podcasts than something like
live news, but not a bad idea
URI [1]: https://podbay.fm
rom16384 wrote 10 hours 2 min ago:
You may find the Podcast Index [1] project interesting, it tries
to create an open index of all podcasts, and currently has 4.5M
podcasts. It has a downloadable sqlite database and an API.
URI [1]: https://podcastindex.org/
dkh wrote 8 hours 53 min ago:
Haha, the most recently uploaded/indexed "episodes" of a
"podcast" on this site are individual songs from what looks
like a podcast feed of a radio show. Just kind of funny
Very cool project
dkh wrote 8 hours 50 min ago:
They seem to use this monetization "system"/philosophy: [1]
..which is yet again something I find both interesting and
kind of funny (that they have "standardized" the philosophy
of "pay what you want")
URI [1]: https://value4value.info
gosub100 wrote 19 hours 22 min ago:
HN brought me there over 5 years ago and I've been using it regularly
ever since.
AnotherGoodName wrote 20 hours 46 min ago:
For me the site is incredibly snappy. Amazing. As in i clicked
Australia, clicked ABC TV and it all loaded in milliseconds.
emmelaich wrote 17 hours 23 min ago:
It's missing a few major channels, Seven and Nine afaics. Maybe they
don't offer free iptv.
dkh wrote 12 hours 52 min ago:
Most of these are being "offered" in a way not intended or desired
by the broadcaster
genewitch wrote 12 hours 44 min ago:
So let's link it to a site that can ddos sites, and probably has
employees of media companies in it!
I'm all for sharing, but I was hoping this bit of awesome joy
would not be linked here.
I wonder if OP heard about it from the NA podcast or from someone
who does listen to it. It was mentioned last week Thursday to the
tune of a million people, so, I guess "yes".
aspenmayer wrote 10 hours 39 min ago:
> I wonder if OP heard about it from the NA podcast
What podcast do you mean?
genewitch wrote 2 hours 9 min ago:
here's the cite:
URI [1]: https://noagenda.clipgenie.com/content/34613737-6134...
dkh wrote 11 hours 58 min ago:
Oh the irony of wanting such a site to exist but to keep it a
bit of a secret.
There are a zillion streams on this site, so unclear if enough
additional traffic will be going to any particular one of them
to be noticed by the sources. Certainly some number of media
company employees will be aware of it due to it hitting HN, but
I have my doubts that there are many media employees who read
HN who didn't already know these things existed and/or would do
anything about it
genewitch wrote 1 hour 54 min ago:
the odd thing, i suppose, is i probably won't use the site as
i don't watch broadcast TV at all; but just for research,
testing / using / tuning speech to text (translate and
transcribe,) and comparing coverage of news stories it is
invaluable. It would be awful if it had to shut down because
it was linked on a VC forum where people often defend IP.
thundergolfer wrote 20 hours 52 min ago:
One of those projects that has me wondering what I was doing instead of
building this. The end result is great, and the technical details seem
like they'd be interesting. TIL about Internet Protocol TV:
URI [1]: https://github.com/iptv-org/iptv
pests wrote 15 hours 28 min ago:
I have a friend who purchased some sketchy IPTV service for
$100/year. Basically all the cable and premium channels from around
the world. Navigating the channels are difficult as there are many
duplicates or all the local channels around the country. Interesting
to watch the news in different areas and sometimes a little
unreliable and probably illegal but it was a TIL for me too.
esskay wrote 10 hours 9 min ago:
I had something similar a few years ago. I ended up having to write
a little script to pull out just the channels I wanted as nothing
could handle the 18 thousand stream options it provided (total
insanity that its bundled up into 1 file like that in the first
place but seems to be the norm for dodgy IPTV providers).
Nowadays theres better tools for the job. StreamMaster* for example
can handle thousands of IPTV sources and let you organise them
nicely into something that can be read by Plex, Jellyfin, etc.
*Sadly recently abandoned but still available on github.
yard2010 wrote 10 hours 26 min ago:
Thanks for the rabbit hole, and making me realize I need one.
phantomathkg wrote 18 hours 17 min ago:
What you see in that repo is not truly true IPTV[0].
What you see in the repo is a lot of different HLS manifest[1], which
in turn pointed to different questionable sources of all the OTT
streams around the world.
[0]: [1]:
URI [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_IPTV_Forum
URI [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming
anjel wrote 13 hours 56 min ago:
So the cable pirated TV to IPTV reflector streams are being
re-pirated or maybe just Liberated?
esskay wrote 10 hours 14 min ago:
I've not looked at it in a few months but fairly sure its not
pirated, its just online streams of FTA channels. All the UK ones
for example are are just the UK's free to air broadcasters and
someones figured out the urls to the feeds they use on their
websites and apps.
Lots of the US and CA ones look to be the same sort of situation.
You'll find most wont work without a VPN as they are geo blocked.
magicmicah85 wrote 20 hours 52 min ago:
Love the website design. Very neat to just drop in on a country, see
whatâs on. Was watching two guys in Afghanistan acting goofy in a
commercial. Just fascinating.
vault wrote 20 hours 53 min ago:
Thanks. I could spend hours watching distant cultures. Their colours,
environment, technical equipment... I saw some people in Somalia using
DJI microphones, those that in the West are mainly used by YouTubers.
I also see TVs that are normally subject to fees. I'm aware the FAQs
say it's only public streams, but I fear this won't last long.
dkh wrote 12 hours 47 min ago:
The definition of "public" in this context is not straightforward. I,
too, doubt the site is long for this world, and due to its
ease-of-use could possibly also draw the broadcasters' attention to
all the unprotected streams they may have either not known about, or
not cared about because they were only really discoverable/usable by
a relatively small group of geeks
larfus wrote 18 hours 43 min ago:
I think its inevitable death will be from all that unrestricted
pornography. That being said, these kinds of projects usually hold up
for quite some time.
sepositus wrote 17 hours 0 min ago:
My children were interested in playing with it, but this was my
fear. Is there actually pornography streaming on it?
larfus wrote 6 hours 33 min ago:
I came across erotic films in a Swiss channel, so yes. The catch
is that they probably were streaming it at 3 a.m. in the night
but i watched it at 7 p.m across the ocean
learningmore wrote 14 hours 17 min ago:
The GitHub notes they were required to remove any nsfw content,
or unlabeled content.
pavel_lishin wrote 17 hours 19 min ago:
Where are the pornographic channels? You know, so I can avoid them?
lxgr wrote 20 hours 36 min ago:
Non-public streams wouldnât be published without DRM, or at least
not as publicly retrievable (i.e. without any authentication) M3U
playlists, would they?
cadamsdotcom wrote 18 hours 48 min ago:
Yes - for some of these you can stream if you know the URL, but
you're only able to discover the URL after making an account.
dkh wrote 12 hours 43 min ago:
I think a number of these are also public rebroadcasts
piggybacking off a less-public source.
Definitely a lot of these are also [re]broadcasts from vendors,
probably for a specific platform or distribution target, that
people found the URLs for and that the original source isn't
super aware of the details of
lxgr wrote 18 hours 43 min ago:
If they contain some entropy, i.e. if there's path/parameter
based bearer token authentication, sure. [1] ? I doubt you'll
convince many courts of that being nonpublic.
URI [1]: https://iptv.example.com/720p.m3u8
forks wrote 21 hours 7 min ago:
One of those things that's so cool it's hard to believe it's legal
lxgr wrote 20 hours 33 min ago:
Why not? Public broadcast TV stations want to be viewed, just like
web radio streams!
That said, the first one I tried (a German public broadcaster) was
showing a static image of âthis programme is currently unavailable
for legal reasonsâ. (I believe they do IP-based geofencing for
legal/broadcasting rights reasons.)
gosub100 wrote 19 hours 19 min ago:
There was a high profile court case in about 2018 where a start-up
was trying to sell rebroadcasted public TV and it was ruled illegal
and held up on appeal. They even tried "renting" miniature TV
antennae to users with the legal theory that they never made a
"copy". Sad to see it was shot down.
lxgr wrote 19 hours 15 min ago:
This is very different though: The streams are provided by the
broadcasters themselves, not by somebody that receives their
signal and then rebroadcasts it.
If they didn't want their content watched abroad, they would add
geoblocking or authentication. Some of the ones listed on TFA
actually do that for parts of their program.
mcflubbins wrote 19 hours 21 min ago:
You can watch NHK World from anywhere, they make it available on
their website: [1] They show the news at the top of every hour so
we check in pretty regularly.
URI [1]: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/
crazygringo wrote 19 hours 39 min ago:
Yeah, just because a channel is public broadcast doesn't mean some
of the content it shows hasn't been commercially produced, and a
license purchased for that country's geographical area only.
reddalo wrote 19 hours 22 min ago:
I've tried watching some Italian TV channels, and some content
was not available for streaming. It's a common practice here. It
also applies to satellite-transmitted channels, they usually
don't have the license to show some movies on that version (you
can only see them on the terrestrial signal).
thakoppno wrote 19 hours 24 min ago:
NFL season will likely stamp out the CBS and FOX streams in the
US.
caseyy wrote 20 hours 42 min ago:
There are many broadcasting laws worldwide, many quite archaic. Even
Radio Garden got meaningfully restricted in the UK (only licensed
national radio stations are allowed by a high court ruling). I worry
for projects like TV Garden but they are undoubtedly very cool.
lxgr wrote 20 hours 28 min ago:
Wait, what? Receiving foreign web radio streams in the UK is
prohibited?!
How is that even enforced?
caseyy wrote 20 hours 15 min ago:
A UK High Court ruled in 2019 that websites like TuneIn are
distributing illegal music[0]. It went to appeals but the
previous ruling was upheld. There hasn't been much clarification
beyond that nor very clear enforcement. But the precedent this
ruling set makes companies fear repercussions if they
accidentally link to a stream that has content not licensed for
the UK. To interpret this ruling broadly would be to break the
internet[1]:
> The claimants say that a finding for the defendant will fatally
undermine copyright. The defendant says that a finding for the
claimants will break the internet.
As usual, this happened due to rather rabid approach to copyright
by big American labels. They may be legally in the right, though
their actions, as always, have meaningful negative externalities.
How far they reach in this case is unclear, but TuneIn and Radio
Garden both have blocked non-UK streams for UK listeners.
[0] [1]
URI [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TuneIn#Legal_issues
URI [2]: https://excesscopyright.blogspot.com/2019/11/did-uk-judg...
lxgr wrote 20 hours 8 min ago:
Wow, truly bizarre.
And TuneIn and Radio Garden don't even host any streams, to my
knowledge; they're mere directories!
caseyy wrote 20 hours 1 min ago:
It is rather awkward that the US right-holders chose to sue
TuneIn in the UK, rather than US radio broadcasters that
stream online without appropriate licenses. However, TuneIn
was profiting from the premium subscriptions relating to
content they knew didn't pass muster legally, and their
service foundational was based on such content. There are
certainly many things to be said about it. But unfortunately
the debate is already settled by the appeals court in the UK.
Overall, the UK TuneIn service was valuable to the public.
And it is an example of such value being destroyed by
copyright laws. This is yet another topic that many people
have said much on.
lxgr wrote 19 hours 54 min ago:
> Overall, the UK TuneIn service was valuable to the
public.
I agree about stream directory services in general, but I'm
a bit on the fence about TuneIn in particular.
It started out very useful, especially as the de facto
backbone for Google Home devices â I believe they back or
at least used to back "Hey Google, play ".
But lately they started playing "pre-roll ads", and I think
lately even playing ads over the live content, and I'm not
entirely sure if they even share the revenue of those, or
of premium subscriptions that avoid ads, with the
underlying radio stations.
Mindwipe wrote 7 hours 46 min ago:
They did not.
jaqalopes wrote 21 hours 7 min ago:
This is pretty amazing. I clicked on a Luganda-language channel in
Uganda and it was a concerned-looking woman being interviewed for a
news segment about a "for men" testosterone supplement. Kind of
heartening to see that people everywhere are the same, for better and
for worse.
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