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URI Building Bluesky comments for my blog
0x445442 wrote 12 min ago:
Or just post a link to your blog article here and link to it at the end
of your blog article with the label Comments. You filter for those with
HN accounts instead of Bluesky accounts. As for rich content, words are
enough IMHO.
crimsoneer wrote 53 min ago:
If you're on Quarto, I have a plugin that does this (with fediverse
support)
URI [1]: https://github.com/AndreasThinks/quarto-open-social-comments
winrid wrote 7 hours 28 min ago:
This is why I originally built FastComments :) and then I ended up
working on that and not blogging much.
Neat integration with bluesky, though.
Brajeshwar wrote 7 hours 31 min ago:
I have seen the best of the best Internet Services go away, some
unintentionally. These days, my first question is, âCan I Walk
Out?â without worrying about the content or take the content with me
and go elsewhere.
URI [1]: https://brajeshwar.com/2025/can-i-walk-out/
Unit327 wrote 3 hours 42 min ago:
URI [1]: https://pluralistic.net/2024/12/14/fire-exits/
HocusLocus wrote 9 hours 31 min ago:
Back in 2011 my gut reaction was to treat the embedding of Discus
comments and 'roll yourself a quickie comment section' as the end of
something good and the beginning of something bad. Completely
invisible to your average user, both the potential for 'central
lockdown'and cross site tracking that was 'invisible'. Outsourcing a
common webmaster maintenance task in a way that affected other people
in ways they didn't realize. At first. We Men Who Yell At Clouds
remember the before times. Discus was the first commonly used script
embed, even when people were copying and downloading,installing,serving
their own libraries instead of linking to creepy sites.
Security's better now in general. But the same hands-on approach
sometimes brought us widely exploited 0-days. Drupal was obnoxious.
Yet people knew throbbing banner ads were cross-site things in a way
you could turn off.
isodev wrote 12 hours 39 min ago:
I wish Bluesky would reveal their full idea on how theyâre going to
monetise. All this chatter how theyâre different because they have
this super complicated architecture always comes short of revealing
what happens when they start charging for things.
fishywang wrote 12 hours 54 min ago:
I would recommend [1] , which is based on matrix.
it has guest support (so people does not need a matrix account to
comment), but if you use your own matrix account, you are essentially
joining a matrix room per post.
URI [1]: https://cactus.chat/
zhivota wrote 14 hours 58 min ago:
This is interesting to me for the reason of having a way to interact
with social media that isn't loading a social media feed. It would be
great to put this on my blog and then have people able to comment on
it, and basically the only way I interact with Blue Sky or any social
media feed is through this kind of interface and through creating
content.
Over the years I've found that any interaction with social media that
involves me loading the feed inevitably ends up with me doomscrolling
or spending way too much time scrolling stuff that doesn't add anything
to my life. This could be a way to avoid that cycle, finally, but still
interact with the wider social media world a little bit.
koen_hendriks wrote 14 hours 25 min ago:
> Over the years I've found that any interaction with social media
that involves me loading the feed inevitably ends up with me
doomscrolling or spending way too much time scrolling stuff that
doesn't add anything to my life.
Almost as if it was designed that way...
jslakro wrote 15 hours 13 min ago:
Another interesting bluesky integration as blog commenting system from
some months ago
URI [1]: https://www.coryzue.com/writing/bluesky-comments/
uxjw wrote 16 hours 32 min ago:
ActivityPub for Wordpress just posted about a bridge with Bluesky
URI [1]: https://activitypub.blog/2025/08/07/bridging-the-gap/
tomgag wrote 18 hours 8 min ago:
Interesting. Could something like this be done for Mastodon /
ActivityPub?
lucius_verus wrote 17 hours 38 min ago:
People have been doing this with ActivityPub/Mastodon for years:
URI [1]: https://carlschwan.eu/2020/12/29/adding-comments-to-your-sta...
tomgag wrote 17 hours 27 min ago:
That's cool, didn't know that!
axelpacheco wrote 18 hours 21 min ago:
Composable internet will win over end to end closed systems
maelito wrote 18 hours 25 min ago:
Bluesky is very useful to store information on users' existing
accounts.
I'm currently building a review system for my open source Web map [1] ,
based on Bluesky. Not trivial though, you have to create a lexicon and
maintain a DB based on the Bluesky stream.
URI [1]: https://cartes.app
FreeTrade wrote 8 hours 7 min ago:
Could you say more about what you're building? I didn't quite
understand from your comment or the website.
pietervdvn wrote 14 hours 12 min ago:
Wait, what? Please don't do that, use mangrove.reviews instead
please. They use clear CC-BY-SA licenses; MapComplete.org uses it
Bluesky _will_ enshittify sooner or later
maelito wrote 14 hours 0 min ago:
Mangrove has almost nothing in its DB, no news for years, and a
broken website.
Better go with my own DB.
Or use a network with a well-designed protocol, a hosted service,
30 million users, a social graph, moderation...
pietervdvn wrote 2 hours 27 min ago:
Except that it got around 2.9K reviews by now, which is more then
you have right now. Furthermore, we shouldn't further fragment
the few open source review efforts we have.
Many OSM apps will also be reluctant to adopt a closed source
solution that might be closed of any moment. And under what
licenses will those reviews be? As MapComplete developer, I can
not and will not be adopting a system based on Bluesky
maelito wrote 3 hours 26 min ago:
Also, to my knowledge, Mangroves does not provide photo upload.
Panoramax is the way to for outdoor pictures, but not for inside.
dom96 wrote 16 hours 41 min ago:
You can go pretty far without your own DB. Depends on the types of
queries you need to make. For my project[1], I was able to use
getRecord[2] for a lot of the data that needed fetching on the
client-side.
1 - [1] 2 -
URI [1]: https://scrapboard.org/
URI [2]: https://docs.bsky.app/docs/api/com-atproto-repo-get-record
susam wrote 18 hours 56 min ago:
Interesting article! I always enjoy reading how people build and
maintain their independent personal websites. This post starts with
the "Comment System Problem" and mentions four possible solutions, but
I think there's a fifth that has worked well for me.
After spending too much time fiddling with third-party comment systems,
I ended up building my own [1]. It's pretty barebones, just does what
I need, and nothing more.
Each comment is written to a text file for manual review, so I don't
have to worry about spam, cross-site scripting, or irrelevant comments.
I usually check them on weekends and add them to my blog.
Comments are stored as plain HTML files, and my static site generator
[2] builds the site along with the comment pages [3]. So in a way,
it's also a static comment pages generator.
This setup doesn't meet the five attributes (no infra, rich content,
real identity, etc.) in the second section of the article, so it
wouldn't suit the author's needs, but it has worked quite well for me.
I've been using it for at least four years (perhaps much longer, since
my old PHP website did something similar), and I've been quite happy
with it. [1] [2]
URI [1]: https://github.com/susam/susam.net/blob/main/form.lisp
URI [2]: https://github.com/susam/susam.net/blob/main/site.lisp
URI [3]: https://susam.net/comments/
zem wrote 17 hours 17 min ago:
kind of like "letters to the editor" in newspapers (:
AndrewStephens wrote 18 hours 10 min ago:
I like your solution - I think it is perfectly fine for a low traffic
blog.
Personally I find comments not worth the bother and purposely did not
include them on my site. My blog is an expression of my personality
and the idea of other peoples words appearing on my pages seems weird
to me.
I know people enjoy feedback, which is why I have taken to emailing
bloggers whose work I enjoy instead of leaving meaningless comments.
famahar wrote 6 hours 11 min ago:
I feel the same. Comment sections can be a nice place for further
discussion, but so often I find that they derail the bloggers
original thought and it's like another article within the article.
When you're blogging something informational it might make sense,
but personal stuff I'd rather just keep it as my own thought and
let others interact further in private if they want.
mighmi wrote 18 hours 34 min ago:
Taking comments via a (n email) form, which you then manually add
under the article's html/markdown is nice.
justusthane wrote 16 hours 43 min ago:
That's what I do, except I skip the form and just provide my email
address at the bottom of each post.
xd1936 wrote 19 hours 10 min ago:
See also: Toot toot! Mastodon-powered Blog Comments [2023]
URI [1]: https://cassidyjames.com/blog/fediverse-blog-comments-mastodon...
notsahil wrote 19 hours 24 min ago:
Reminds me of
URI [1]: https://indieweb.org/Webmention
UtopiaPunk wrote 19 hours 31 min ago:
I like this a lot! I don't have a blog, but this kind of makes me want
to start one.
nonethewiser wrote 19 hours 51 min ago:
>Iâve been running my blog without decent comments for years.
I only see 2 posts on the entire blog, both from 2025 (and one is this
post).
abhinavk wrote 18 hours 51 min ago:
They had another blog as per archive.org
ThinkBeat wrote 19 hours 53 min ago:
You are not hosting it so presumably BlueSky do.
You say there is no platform lock in.
If BlueSky banned you tomorrow what is the plan?
If BlueSky went bankrupt tomorrow?
I figure there are other AT compliant products
that you can switch to but a lot of data would
go missing?
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 19 hours 7 min ago:
So. You can back up your personal data to what is effectively a fancy
tar ball (technically it's a collection of CAR files akin to what
IPFS uses) and you can restore that to any PDS (personal data server)
when you point your account there (either via your did:plc doc or via
DNS records via did:web). So even if your current PDS implodes or
bans you, you can just go somewhere else.
And of course there are several implementations and hosts for relays
(the gossip nodes), PDS implementations, clients, and appviews (the
server backend for bluesky the web app).
So strictly speaking if bluesky imploded tomorrow you could just use
a self hosted version of the same app or use someone else's (such as
[1] ).
The PLC directory is still technically in bluesky's hands but is
being transferred an independent foundation atm and could be
trivially forked if needed. And of course if you use did:web that
doesn't apply to you and you just depend on DNS.
URI [1]: https://zeppelin.social
chodlog wrote 18 hours 57 min ago:
But that's just your own posts isn't it? Wouldn't the replies from
others, which would end up as comments on this author's blog, be in
other users' CAR archives in each of their PDSes?
johnecheck wrote 18 hours 35 min ago:
This is true. In the simple implementation, your blog would
probably lose most comments if BlueSky went down and most users
don't migrate to a new PDS.
However, atproto data is append-only and cache-friendly. It
wouldn't be hard to record historical comments and join them to
the ones returned by the live query. (I'm probably just going to
script periodic backups for mine and worry about displaying them
when/if BlueSky does dissappear.)
serial_dev wrote 18 hours 8 min ago:
But then the only reason to use BlueSky is that your network is
using it.
Itâs a completely valid reason, but All the talk about
platform lock in, independent nodes and relay and whatnot is
just to make you feel better (I listened to some talks and
podcasts but realized that itâs all just window dressing, you
can be practically deplatformed at any time, so Iâm hazy on
the details).
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 18 hours 36 min ago:
yep that'll be in their PDS. but that's the nature of the beast.
you as the user control your data and your posts.
So if there's a large scale exodus from bluesky, as long as full
backfills of the network exist, you'll be able to reconstruct
your CAR files, etc even if your PDS dies.
So yes if they die all the comments disappear but people can
reconstruct their history and move it to other PDS like blacksky,
northsky, or others who are getting ready to start
onboarding/open enrollment.
TLDR it'd be a bit rough if they died overnight but if it was a
slow death and people had a bit of warning you'd see people move
on to other PDS without issue.
toomuchtodo wrote 19 hours 13 min ago:
If interested in understanding this topic in detail, [1] has
information on running your own relay network, migrating data, etc as
it relates to Bluesky and AT Proto. Work continues to enable data
migration, portability, alternate relay networks, etc. [1]
/3lbvbtqrg5t2t is particularly relevant.
(blog author works at bluesky, no affiliation personally)
URI [1]: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net
URI [2]: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lbvbtqrg5t2t
tracker1 wrote 19 hours 42 min ago:
Beyond this, BlueSky definitely kicks a lot of Libertarian and
Right-leaning users off the platform. It seems to be okay if you're
left of center or politically agnostic.
psionides wrote 10 hours 21 min ago:
That's funny, because the team is also regularly accused of being
"libertarian tech bros"
const_cast wrote 16 hours 10 min ago:
The problem with the mentality is that conservative ideas aren't
ever censored, even on mainstream platforms like Instagram.
Rather, there is an association between modern
conservative/libertarian voices and populist messaging - and all
the pitfalls that come with it. Meaning, vulgarity, emotional bait,
deception, and purposefully offensive language.
Like, the modern American conservative leadership cannot advertise
their own ideology without resorting to lies and attacks of
character. The left, by comparison, does not operate that way.
So, if you're censoring shitheads who are generally unliked, that
might appear as though youre targeting conservatives or right
leaning people. But you're not.
Basically, the right has purposefully positioned themselves to be
associated with unpalatable ideas in order to leverage populist
messaging. And this worked - they won an election. The downside is
that now if you filter out unpalatable ideas such as blatant slurs
you're going to necessarily mostly target right wing people. By
accident.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 18 hours 47 min ago:
This is a claim that's going to require support. Bluesky's
moderation service (just adds metadata/labels to posts/accounts) is
all client side opt-in. It's force-enabled by the default client
but any third party client allows you to opt-out (or doesn't even
use it by default).
And PDS level/"account" bans are just at the PDS. If you've been
"banned", that's just bluesky the PDS host telling you they don't
want to host you and that you need to go host your data yourself or
find someone else to host it for you. i.e. find another PDS.
Basically every form of ban or moderation in atproto/bluesky is
"soft" moderation and you can fairly trivially bypass it and
continue doing your own thing.
The overwhelming majority of right wing accounts that get banned do
so soon after joining (and generally after going to pick fights).
And they never even bother to try to keep their accounts, instead
choosing to create new accounts to get banned again or abandon the
platform. It's disingenuous behavior and for right wing
personalities it feels almost more like a sticker of pride that
they were "banned from bluesky".
Plenty of right leaning and libertarian accounts exist on bluesky.
Project Liberal [1] and Liberal Party USA [2] (run by Josh Eakle[3]
and Kevin Gaughen[4] respectively) exist just fine on bluesky and
they are large splinter groups from the Libertarian Party following
the whole Mises Caucus coup attempt thing. Likewise a number of
libertarian groups such as the Libertarian Party of Lousiana [5] do
just fine on bluesky. And of course AI and Cryptocurrency people
also do just fine on bluesky as well despite the stereotypes
against them and the common belief that "they aren't welcome on
bluesky". The worst thing that happens is people block or mute you
and you don't have to deal with them anymore rather than toxicly
fighting each other each time you see each other.
TLDR: Everyone is welcome on bluesky but there's no requirement for
people to tolerate you. Even if you violate every transgression, as
long as you aren't posting literal child porn to the network you'll
still be able to exist just fine however people might just ignore
you.
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1. Project Liberal: [1] 2. Liberal Party USA: [2] 3. Josh Eakle:
[3] 4. Kevin Gaughen: [4] 5. LP of Lousiana:
URI [1]: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:d5nigw7kzpsglf3gtl2dvbev
URI [2]: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:v3jmda7lwwdoofcvgmjwsbcg
URI [3]: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:2adtngm3y6e6ol6jastnkxzm
URI [4]: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4oyecf2hz4ajhm4zqp52hxqo
URI [5]: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:mongiv55fh5l5e7vi7cbjajw
Karrot_Kream wrote 14 hours 10 min ago:
> And of course AI and Cryptocurrency people also do just fine on
bluesky as well despite the stereotypes against them and the
common belief that "they aren't welcome on bluesky".
"do just fine" is really pushing it I think. I don't think the
core mod team or the default-client's moderation service is
biased toward the right or the left (at least in how they apply
moderation, not necessarily their personal beliefs.) I think the
core team is doing the best job they can given their resourcing.
The community on the site is a different story.
There was an attempt by AI researchers to join the site and they
all got bullied until they left, largely by the community. Pretty
much every reply to an NYT article that doesn't denigrate Trump
is either "wow how does the NYT have the time to write about
fashion/lifestyle/, it's because they've an evil right wing
publication" or "how dare the NYT platform this opinion it's an
evil right wing opinion". If you look at feature rollouts or
social posts by the team you get lots of well-liked comments
about how the mod team enables right wing behavior.
I use the platform a lot and am really rooting for them to
succeed, but I feel that there's just a lot of lefty toxicity on
the platform and that the community on there loves politics and
often brings politics into unrelated threads. They seem
interested in a sort of pop politics too, not the kind of harder
political analysis that a good think tank or non-fiction book can
provide either. I feel that if you're into lots of pop left
politics and the culture that emerges from a community with this
love then you'll like Bluesky. For now I think the community is
too political to really foster wider conversations the way
pre-Elon Twitter did.
sugarpimpdorsey wrote 15 hours 24 min ago:
> Bluesky's moderation service is all client side opt-in. It's
force-enabled by the default client but any third party client
allows you to opt-out
No matter how many times this pedantry gets repeated in this
thread, this is literally not opt-in.
A light switch that is glued in place so you cannot turn it off
is not opt-in.
Sure, some people with the know-how can get a pair of dikes and
cut it out of the wall, the light will turn off and they will say
"see, I opted out!"
But most people won't do this. At best it is misleading to say
so.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 12 hours 49 min ago:
The entire design of the architecture is for it to be driven
primarily by the third party developers and the community.
Bluesky the company does the bare minimum for legal compliance
and every time there's an issue with legal
compliance/moderation, the "first party" developers make
threads to teach people how to use third party apps, etc to
bypass the systems they are forced to implement.
The goal is that third party apps take over as the majority
share of clients over time and the main impl should be seen as
a "reference implementation".
And that of course ignores all the other non-bluesky projects
currently incubating on atproto.
hasnd wrote 17 hours 29 min ago:
Iâve read all of those profiles and they all seem to lean
progressive. If your argument is that thereâs a diversity of
thought, that proof is not enough.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 16 hours 52 min ago:
I'm specifically targeting the libertarian side of the original
comment as I don't keep up with authoritarian conservatives and
I generally don't want to engage with them (nor do I the
authoritarian left).
LPLouisiana is definitely left leaning libertarian but the
first 4 are all very much your old school small government
libertarians.
Both Josh Eakle and Kevin Gaughen used to be senior members of
the Libertarian Party prior to the Mises Caucus burning it to
the ground and they are absolutely center right libertarians
through and through.
cactacea wrote 19 hours 15 min ago:
[flagged]
dang wrote 19 hours 13 min ago:
>* stop talking out of your ass*
Please don't break the site guidelines like this, no matter how
incorrect another comment is or you feel it is.
Doing this has the obvious downside of making the threads more
toxic, plus the less obvious one of discrediting the truth
(assuming your comment is indeed correct) by giving it toxic
associations. [1]
URI [1]: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true...
URI [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
cactacea wrote 18 hours 55 min ago:
edited
dang wrote 17 hours 50 min ago:
That's better, thanks, and I don't mean to pile on! but why
include "Clearly you don't use it"?
One can't conclude that for sure, it's unnecessarily
personal, and it doesn't add anything (other than a swipe) to
the correct information in your post.
TimorousBestie wrote 19 hours 22 min ago:
Bluesky moderation has been fairly even handed as far as I have
seen. They also ban plenty of leftists and trans activists when
these happen to exceed the ToS. And good luck if youâre a
Palestinian trying to fundraise on the platform; they get banned by
the hundreds.
LeoPanthera wrote 19 hours 25 min ago:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Is it perhaps that the "right-leaning" social media users being
banned are also violating the rules? Attacks and abuse seem to be
standard practice, especially for the American right.
umbra07 wrote 18 hours 31 min ago:
What rules are we talking about? Because my Bluesky feed (the
Discover section) is filled with name-calling, hints at political
violence, etc. all coming from liberal/left accounts.
kouru225 wrote 17 hours 25 min ago:
Seems like you might be preoccupied with rage bait and you
think that itâs actually real
LeoPanthera wrote 18 hours 20 min ago:
That's not my experience at all.
nonethewiser wrote 19 hours 54 min ago:
Id love a term for this sort of thing. It's like tech hijacking or
something. Google sheets as a backend, github discussions for a comment
system, etc.
Retr0id wrote 17 hours 35 min ago:
It's not really hijacking in this case, Bluesky is built for this on
purpose.
PaulHoule wrote 18 hours 47 min ago:
Lately I've got the goal of stuffing anything that can possibly be
stuffed with photos stuffed with photos -- that and dislodging the
sneaker brand that stole my 3-character handle I was using in LoL
long ago from the SERPs.
Always looking for new places.
oellegaard wrote 19 hours 54 min ago:
I love the approach but Iâd go with Mastodon which is an actual open
protocol with multiple servers and clients and clearly not for profit
ezfe wrote 19 hours 52 min ago:
To be clear, so is blue sky â you can run a Bluesky server yourself
just like mastodon
nileshtrivedi wrote 19 hours 25 min ago:
Not only is the bluesky network highly centralized right now, its
UI is designed to perpetually lock users into the main bluesky
server. Even if you use your own identity, when sharing the URLs to
the posts via the UI, the URL defaults to bsky dot app domain,
which will break if the author ever moves to a second server.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 18 hours 7 min ago:
That's not actually true.
1. If you switch PDS all links continue working.
2. If you change your handle (for did:plc, did:web can't do this
because DNS) it used to break links but nowadays this isn't a
problem because handle resolution respects historical handle
naming (I think it works by post+handle age but I can't
remember).
3. Also if you share posts using the did syntax instead of handle
syntax (which bluesky seems to be slowly changing over to, at
least profiles do this now), it's stable regardless of handle
changes.
4. If you want to switch frontends, you can use an extension or
app like at://wormhole to do so. UX for this should improve over
time but that's a big "eventually".
5. Hopefully the at:// URI format catches on but that's a long
ways away given that browsers make using custom URIs an absolute
nightmare.
dewey wrote 19 hours 43 min ago:
Do you know anyone who does? There's many big and open Mastodon
instances but I've yet to see a Bluesky one.
diggan wrote 20 min ago:
> Do you know anyone who does?
One example of a profile that lives on a different PDS ("AT
Protocol Personal Data Server") than the default one: [1] If you
look in the bottom left of [2] , it shows:
> User changed [...] 1/2/2025 to external server PDS: [3] If you
go to that URL, you'll see the landing page for the atproto PDS
software.
Edit: Ah, and seems Kuba is hosting a directory of profiles using
their own PDS as well, lots of examples over there: [4] Biggest
one right now (excluding the default one) seems to be
atproto.brid.gy, which has 40393 accounts.
URI [1]: https://bsky.app/profile/mackuba.eu
URI [2]: https://clearsky.app/mackuba.eu/history
URI [3]: https://lab.martianbase.net
URI [4]: https://blue.mackuba.eu/directory/pdses
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 18 hours 3 min ago:
You normally don't notice tbh. Switching PDS is entirely
invisible to the frontend. There's a lot of self hosted PDS users
(since it's basically a small go router + sqlite) but there's
also bigger community PDS projects being spun up including
blacksky and northsky.
As for frontends, there's a bunch of them and a lot of them focus
on changing the UX. But for self hosted "bluesky", there is [1]
which is a forked client that still relies on the bluesky
appview/backend and there is [2] which is downstream of deer
social but also runs their own appview independent of "big
bluesky".
URI [1]: https://deer.social
URI [2]: https://zeppelin.social
dewey wrote 17 hours 57 min ago:
Thanks for the explanation, I was almost certain I'm missing
something.
philipwhiuk wrote 19 hours 56 min ago:
I'm not optimistic about BlueSky's profitability - the current
free-at-point of use is a result of VC funding.
So personally I'd be wary of adopting it. I think it's likely the API
gets locked down and the comments break in a couple of years.
EA-3167 wrote 15 hours 53 min ago:
> I'm not optimistic about BlueSky's profitability - the current
free-at-point of use is a result of VC funding.
You aren't wrong, there will be a turn at some point just like there
was with Twitter, but then the same is true of 'AI' and people seem
happy to go all-in on that. If VC's want to burn their money on the
dream of becoming some new kind of rich... good, let them. Sure it
turns sour after a while (Uber, Doordash, etc)... but enjoy the
largess before they figure out there's no magic money tree in those
hills.
fsflover wrote 4 hours 49 min ago:
> but enjoy the largess before they figure out there's no magic
money tree
...and you loose access to all your messages and network.
yellowapple wrote 26 min ago:
Incorrect:
URI [1]: https://www.da.vidbuchanan.co.uk/blog/adversarial-pds-mi...
danabramov wrote 16 hours 19 min ago:
Note Bluesky is architected to be downstream of PDS (personal data
servers) which any user can switch to another provider, and the
Bluesky app server acts as an aggregator (but anyone else can build
their own aggregators â and people already have). So as Natalie
notes in the post, you donât even âhave toâ use the Bluesky app
API to access the posts. You can get them from a third-party app
server (âapp viewâ) or even have your own. Theyâre all
aggregating from the same data source.
fsflover wrote 4 hours 36 min ago:
[1]
URI [1]: https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/#tie-yours...
URI [2]: https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
danabramov wrote 45 min ago:
Some of this is already outdated. With the switch to non-indexing
relays (âSync 1.1â), people are already running independent
relays quite cheaply. There are also actual independent AppViews
coming up.
URI [1]: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l
PaulHoule wrote 18 hours 43 min ago:
I really believe in [1] and would say the bright side of the
"enshittification cycle" is that we get nice places for a while and
then we can move on. It's not like people party at the Mudd Club or
CBGB anymore and why should they? Theory at
URI [1]: https://indieweb.org/POSSE
URI [2]: https://mastodon.social/@UP8/114988462585487831
spartanatreyu wrote 10 hours 31 min ago:
If we already know that the for-profit social networks will always
go through the enshittification cycle, why not use a not-for-profit
social network like mastodon?
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote 18 hours 40 min ago:
I think BlueSky should lean into this and operate as a domain
registrar like Squarespace does.
biggestfan wrote 16 hours 16 min ago:
They did this for a few years (specifically selling domains to
use as a username), not sure if they do anymore.
They also sold a bunch of shirts as a stunt against Meta earlier
this year, and the shirt sales were more revenue than the domains
had been.
kdrvr wrote 19 hours 58 min ago:
Feels like Bluesky is single-handedly making the Internet an open for
new ideas again
isodev wrote 12 hours 37 min ago:
Well no, itâs basically a Threads with slightly more open
integration options. You probably mean ATProto, perhaps.
sugarpimpdorsey wrote 19 hours 31 min ago:
Unless of course you say something that pisses off the BS mod cabal,
or you are deliberately mass-reported by some clique of users, then
your account will be immediately banned. Or even worse, your account
made it onto some pre-shared blacklist so you'll be invisible before
you say a word.
BS is an attempt to recreate an even more toxic environment than old
Twitter ever was.
Which is all very high school cafeteria-drama.
freshchilled wrote 19 hours 11 min ago:
> Or even worse, your account made it onto some pre-shared
blacklist so you'll be invisible before you say a word.
Seems to me like people who subscribe to a blocklist that I'm on
aren't people I want to be visible to/communicate with.
TimorousBestie wrote 19 hours 16 min ago:
> Or even worse, your account made it onto some pre-shared
blacklist so you'll be invisible before you say a word.
The various blocklists are opt-in; youâll only be invisible to
their respective subscribers. Only the default bluesky moderation
list is global, and they only adjudicate ToS violations (like every
other social network).
Community moderation is quite distributed and egalitarian on bsky,
perhaps even more so than the benevolent dictatorship used here
(which obviously doesnât scale).
> BS is an attempt to recreate an even more toxic environment than
old Twitter ever was.
On Bsky I have yet to have anyone out of the blue, with no prior
interaction, call me a slur or racial epithet. Canât say the same
about my old Twitter account.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 18 hours 15 min ago:
> Only the default bluesky moderation list is global
And of course it's also opt in as well. Just the default bluesky
client does that by default. Any third party client (ex: [1] or
[2] ) can opt-out of "default moderation". And technically you
could use a userscript or even potentially a ublock rule/filter
to disable default moderation (just like you can to disable
regional moderation or age verification).
URI [1]: https://deer.social
URI [2]: https://zeppelin.social
FreeTrade wrote 7 hours 44 min ago:
I was considering creating a censorship free bluesky pds. The
showstopper is that bluesky can cut off read access to the
content firehose relay. I suspect they would do that, or be
forced to do that if a true free speech platform were to
emerge.
cubefox wrote 18 hours 0 min ago:
> And of course it's also opt in as well. Just the default
bluesky client does that by default.
This means it's opt-out. Not opt-in.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 17 hours 25 min ago:
Sorry, I should clarify. The system is designed to have
moderation be opt in. It isn't opt-in or opt-out on the
default client. On the default client it is mandatory.
The reason I said it's opt-in is because moderation is added
client-side by including the moderation service's DID in the
`atproto-accept-labelers` HTTP header when sending requests
to the appview.
So it is by-design opt-in, just in practice the "first party
bluesky client" makes the choice for you for legal compliance
reasons, and with an increasing hint-hint-nudge-nudge from
the devs to use third party or forked clients to bypass the
various legal restrictions countries keep trying to impose on
them.
TimorousBestie wrote 18 hours 13 min ago:
Yep, this is true, thanks for the clarification.
UtopiaPunk wrote 19 hours 36 min ago:
I hesitate to give one corporation or entity too much credit, but at
least for the moment, the community on Blueksy is pretty fun.
Admittedly, I was a fan of the Twitter of old, and that seems to be
the crowd that is most active on Bluesky now. We'll see where it
goes.
toomuchtodo wrote 19 hours 40 min ago:
"Protocols, not platforms." As the kids say, "build mode" but
building what can't be captured, enshittified, etc.
hk1337 wrote 20 hours 20 min ago:
Itâs odd to eliminate using GitHub issues as comments because the
user would need a GitHub account then decide on bluesky. Bluesky would
also require users to have a Bluesky account? How many readers already
have a GitHub account vs already have a Bluesky account?
I mean itâs fine, use whatever your comfortable with and Bluesky is
the next frontier for development ideas.
skrtskrt wrote 19 hours 43 min ago:
You can host your own Bluesky instance and federate across instances,
with all the data you host stored in an open an portable format, can
you do the same with GitHub?
alemanek wrote 18 hours 41 min ago:
Itâs coming in gitea: [1] I would be willing to guess that self
hosting gitea as a backup mirror is less work than doing the same
for Bluesky. But, just speculating
URI [1]: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/20311
toomuchtodo wrote 20 hours 18 min ago:
As of this comment, Bluesky has ~38M users. To sign up is trivial,
and doesn't constrain you to folks who already have a Github account
or would sign up for one (tech weighted). Skate to where the puck is
going. I suppose including a link to the Bluesky sign up page near
the discussion section of a post would be helpful, for those not yet
onboarded who want to immediately discuss or intend to in the future.
[1] EDIT: Ask five people you know outside of tech if they have a
Github account. Everyone I know outside of tech moved to Bluesky from
Twitter. No one I know outside of tech has a Github account. If I
encounter someone who has neither, I'm of course going to recommend a
Bluesky account from a utility perspective, as they're likely never
going to contribute code, issues, discussion on GH if not a tech
person.
(most of my network is non tech, non startup, non SV people, ymmv; HN
is the closest I get to tech folks most of the time)
URI [1]: https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
Vaslo wrote 11 hours 14 min ago:
The puck is not going to bluesky. Ads are back on X. Many who
claim to have left have returned. Bluesky is the far leftist
version of gab, no matter how you donât like people saying that.
Iâm among that 31M who signed up (as are many of my friends) and
only the most left ones are still using it. I trolled for a couple
of days until it got boring.
dwedge wrote 19 hours 36 min ago:
I don't know a single person outside of tech who has a bluesky
account. I know very few people in tech who do.
jandrese wrote 17 hours 8 min ago:
There are quite a number of authors, comedians, artists, and the
like on Bluesky. A few examples:
Bill Corbett: [1] John Scalzi: [2] Wil Wheaton: [3] NY Times
Pitchbot: [4] Electrek: [5] Stephen King: [6] Eric Idle:
URI [1]: https://bsky.app/profile/billcorbett.bsky.social
URI [2]: https://bsky.app/profile/scalzi.com
URI [3]: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:mwpiq2rr6joccohcz2urkwv...
URI [4]: https://bsky.app/profile/nytpitchbot.bsky.social
URI [5]: https://bsky.app/profile/electrek.co
URI [6]: https://bsky.app/profile/stephenking.bsky.social
URI [7]: https://bsky.app/profile/ericidle.bsky.social
nonethewiser wrote 19 hours 53 min ago:
Github has a lot more than 38M users so I'm not sure what point you
are making with that figure
ecshafer wrote 19 hours 54 min ago:
Bluesky is already dying and has 38M registered users to Githubs
225M users. Github is growing, and Bluesky isn't. By your own
suggestion, they should have used Github.
trothamel wrote 19 hours 58 min ago:
38M is the number of accounts registered. It seems like the number
of users is lower and falling.
icedchai wrote 14 hours 43 min ago:
I have at least 10 accounts myself.
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 17 hours 49 min ago:
Ehhh the metric for active users is a bit weird. The metric is
"daily active likers" but I know a lot of people lurk and don't
like posts often. I personally rarely like posts unless I think
to go out of my way to do so but I browse the site daily.
And even then while "daily active likers" is down half from 6
months ago, it's still up substantially from even just a month or
two prior to that. Bluesky exploded in size at the start of the
year and it seems to be finally settling into a steady state with
gradual growth (vs the prior explosive growth + falloff).
"Daily records" (at the bottom of the page) is a bit better
metric of overall network activity and even though it has also
fallen since peak it shows there's still an order of magnitude
more activity on network than prior to blowing up.
zufallsheld wrote 19 hours 58 min ago:
Well, github has 225 million users, so bluesky needs to catch up.
mmattbtw wrote 20 hours 28 min ago:
yooooo nat
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote 18 hours 13 min ago:
I saw the post and was like eyyyyyy that's oomf.
aranw wrote 20 hours 33 min ago:
Only thing Iâm wondering about with this is how do you moderate the
comments? Delete spam or rude comments?
isodev wrote 12 hours 35 min ago:
You can only hide them. Bluesky also canât block users, only hide
them from your timelines (if youâre using an app that respects
that). Itâs quite limited compared to Mastodon in that regard.
ascorbic wrote 20 hours 15 min ago:
I'm not sure if this implements it, but Bluesky has an API to hide
replies (called thread gating). It's a separate API call though, so
you don't get it automatically when loading a thread via the API.
I built a web component for the same purpose, and you can see in
there how I implemented threadgating:
URI [1]: https://github.com/ascorbic/bluesky-comments-tag
jameshart wrote 20 hours 26 min ago:
Bluesky allows thread owners to hide posts from the thread.
Presumably the blog interface itself can choose to simply not surface
hidden replies at all; if you view the thread via a different client
(eg the Bluesky app) you would have the option of seeing the hidden
posts.
And of course if you view the thread through your own Bluesky
interface your personal blocklists and moderation would apply to the
thread.
jszymborski wrote 20 hours 31 min ago:
At least for Mastodon comments, there are two easy ways:
- Run the comments on an instance you moderate
- Even better, only show comments that your account has favourited.
More details on the last one here:
URI [1]: https://hci.social/@ryanatkn/111983960076822015
aranw wrote 20 hours 29 min ago:
> Even better, only show comments that your account has favourited.
Yeah I like this solution. Might try explore this approach
_hyn3 wrote 20 hours 26 min ago:
How is this different from any other self hosted solution; you've
still got to manage spam yourself. Might as well go self hosted.
eat_veggies wrote 20 hours 22 min ago:
Spam isn't the only challenge of going self-hosted and it's
cool to tie into an existing ecosystem for identity. Also it's
pretty neat that people can engage outside of your website
while you still get to pick what gets surfaced on your own
website.
aranw wrote 20 hours 22 min ago:
I have a static site. Self hosted would mean Iâd need a
database and I think right now I want to keep the static
generation. Happy to try self hosted in future and write my own
solution but right now I got plenty of side projects
slackr wrote 20 hours 36 min ago:
Nice. But what about moderation?
MrPapz wrote 20 hours 38 min ago:
This is an amazing idea! Not only if fixes the problem of commenting
but also allow people to continue the conversion on Bluesky. Well done!
throwmeaway222 wrote 20 hours 38 min ago:
The outline on the right is nice.
ulrischa wrote 20 hours 44 min ago:
The Bluesky ecosystem is so cool. I read this approach presented here
some times ago. The only thing that could be problematic: you need to
make a posting on Bluesky for all your Web pages to use the commenting
system. And a webcomponent for this would be nice
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