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URI Arm releases first in-house chip, with Meta as debut customer
3eb7988a1663 wrote 7 hours 40 min ago:
After Amazon, Google, and Apple all have had successes with in house
ARM, I had naively assumed Meta would do the same. Given the speeds
with which they have been developed, it must not be "that hard" to spin
up a chip. You could have easily framed it as a long-term plan - custom
chips for the Occlus.
kaladin-jasnah wrote 9 hours 57 min ago:
How does this fit with Meta's decision to acquire Rivos?
brcmthrowaway wrote 9 hours 27 min ago:
acquihire?
drob518 wrote 10 hours 22 min ago:
This is going to be a strategic challenge for ARM unless they are going
to focus on chips that nobody else wants to make. And given the AI
focus, that doesnât seem to be the case. I would think that the
RISC-V folks would be salivating at the prospect of flipping some
existing ARM licensees to RISC-V.
tsukikage wrote 6 hours 28 min ago:
Meta bought a RISC-V startup six months ago: [1] Guess at the end of
the day, no-one ever got fired for building ARM.
URI [1]: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=meta+rivos
wmf wrote 7 hours 33 min ago:
focus on chips that nobody else wants to make
That's what happened here. Meta wants a Neoverse V3 CPU but no one
will make it for them. So Arm has to make it.
leptons wrote 7 hours 26 min ago:
ARM does not have their own fab, someone else is doing the actual
making. ARM helped Meta design the thing.
mrbluecoat wrote 10 hours 46 min ago:
"in-house" is misleading
> Like nearly all fabless AI chipmakers, Arm currently manufactures its
CPU at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company
âs fabrication plants.
sifar wrote 3 hours 6 min ago:
It's called fables.
alain94040 wrote 9 hours 5 min ago:
It's not misleading for people in the industry. ARM so far was
selling IP (Verilog source code) that other chip makers would include
in a full chip design.
Now ARM for the first time (this century) is making its own chip
[design], which like most of its customers, is manufactured by a fab
like TSMC.
The title is clear.
brcmthrowaway wrote 1 hour 51 min ago:
Not really verilog source code. TSMC probably provides libraries to
Apple
Apple is just a systems integrator
sgerenser wrote 6 hours 36 min ago:
Similarly Apple doesn't manufacture any of its own computers or
iPhones (it's all contract manufacturers like FoxConn) but it would
clearly be wrong to say "Apple doesn't make computers! Foxconn
does!"
daneel_w wrote 10 hours 53 min ago:
The Acorn Archimedes came with Acorn branded CPUs (the "ARM250" IIRC)
already in the late 80s. I can't recall what company made the chips for
ARM at that time, but in the later Archimedes models it was VLSI.
rwmj wrote 9 hours 51 min ago:
VLSI from the very start according to
URI [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture_family#ARM1
daneel_w wrote 4 hours 58 min ago:
A quick Google image search shows me ARM250TG chips, Acorn-ARM
branded, from "MITEL" and "GPS".
forinti wrote 14 hours 41 min ago:
Arm came from Acorn and Acorn did make the first ARM CPUs for their
computers, so it's not really the first time they do this.
fweimer wrote 14 hours 2 min ago:
They made the Morello research CPUs, but did not sell them.
The Acorn/Arm history is somewhat complicated due to the Arm IPO, I
think.
nutjob2 wrote 13 hours 40 min ago:
One can split hairs about the corporate responsibility, but I
personally bought a VLSI ARM chip in the 90s. VLSI were one of the
original 3 partners (along with Apple and Acorn) who owned the
newly formed ARM corp and were the first to produce them (for
Apple).
ChrisArchitect wrote 3 days ago:
[dupe]
URI [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47506251
checker659 wrote 15 hours 56 min ago:
That is not a dupe
Eufrat wrote 15 hours 6 min ago:
I think it is. The launch announcement explicitly says the same
thing, âMeta is our lead partner and customerâ.
checker659 wrote 14 hours 27 min ago:
On HN, dupe means duplicate discussion for the same link
password4321 wrote 12 hours 57 min ago:
> duplicate discussion for the same link
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but this is incorrect per
moderator dang at [1] :
> On HN, dupeness is more a question of whether the underlying
story is substantively the same or not
I believe dang's most recent in-depth explanation can be found
here: [2] and you can search for more at [3] Submissions of the
same exact URL are automatically merged into the previous
discussion server side, and are discouraged for about a year.
URI [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43765252
URI [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43738815
URI [3]: https://hn.algolia.com?query=author%3Adang+dupe&sort=b...
checker659 wrote 12 hours 23 min ago:
But one is a press release from ARM and the other is a report
from CNBC. How are the two the same?
By your logic, there shouldn't be a gazillion posts about
Apple Events the day it happens.
swores wrote 4 hours 4 min ago:
When the two submissions aren't the exact same link, it
becomes a subjective question as to whether they're similar
enough to count as a dupe or not. They aren't automatically
always a dupe just because the overall general topic is the
same, but nor are they automatically considered not a dupe
just because they're not identical.
In this case the consensus (that I agree with) certainly
seems to be that they're similar enough to be considered a
dupe. Though that doesn't force the moderators to have to
treat it like a dupe and merge comments.
password4321 wrote 10 hours 56 min ago:
It's not my logic, it's the logic of the moderator(s) of
HN. Here's more, cut+paste from the link previously
provided ( [1] ):
> I agreeâthey're not all the same story. On the other
hand: stories in an ongoing sequence usually lead to
repetitive discussion, which is bad for HN
URI [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43738815
LtWorf wrote 9 min ago:
> stories in an ongoing sequence usually lead to
repetitive discussion, which is bad for HN
You mean like the daily repetitive AI news?
geerlingguy wrote 11 hours 27 min ago:
Apple usually announces like 3-5 new products, each in a
distinct market / audience fit. Arm announced one product
for one customer.
But sometimes two long discussions ensue on separate days
for one event/product/announcement, if it's big enough.
Often the discussions are merged later on. No big deal.
mbreese wrote 10 hours 2 min ago:
And even for big news events (which, this might qualify
as), people can miss the first discussion. Even if the
discussions end up merged later on, the different
discussions can still be fruitful.
Which is why, even if it is a duplicate conversation, the
mods generally allow things to play out organically.
There's either going to be more discussion above, or
people have already said their peace and we move on.
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